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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

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    52.1%
  1. Quite Possibly Raving

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    Boris not fan or is he?
     

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    I read an edited version and it is a really interesting read, particularly as regards the struggle between the hardliners and moderates in the Labour Party, and the changes that are taking place in our society which makes the old left views of the unions etc worthless.

    But the elephant in the room is Brexit, not mentioned, and nor was the fact that Labour, Corbyn, Starmer and Blair himself were all prepared to ignore a democratic vote and demand a second referendum. They all misjudged the mood of the country, so perhaps it's not that surprising that Blair decided to overlook it in his article.
     
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    Good point. Perhaps deliberately making the point that it's also how Labour should now approach Brexit? Don't laud it's (perceived) benefits [disingenuous, people will see through that] and don't moan about it [broken record, not a proven vote winner]. Leave it in the past and plan for a 2024 election that won't be about Brexit, and get in a position to answer the 'real questions' which he poses on technological change, culture clashes and the new role of the state.

    Edit - no idea why this is in strikethrough and no idea how to change it <doh>
     
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    Yes, I think Starmer and Blair just don't want to go there. We're out of the EU - forget we were ever in it (!) and move on. However, if Labour ever get into power, the hard left would press for another referendum and/or free movement of people from and to the EU
     
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    If you'll forgive the pedantry, as your broad point is correct, I think a lot of the hard left were actually quite pro Brexit. Comrade Corbyn perhaps a case in point. But yes, I think a lot of the soft left would want Starmer to keep on being vocal about it - and I think that's a good example of the challenge underpinning Blair's article. This is a proper rebuild job, not a quick fix like a change of leader.
     
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    A lot of traditional Labour voters supported Brexit certainly, and Corbyn was conflicted. Momentum was neutral originally but then went on to support Labour's second referendum call. Yes, I guess you could say the call to rejoin the EU could come from anywhere in the Labour movement.

    A rebuild job certainly. How easy is it, though, to rebuild a party that is effectively made up of two parties anyway? Not...
     
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    Yep. It's a bloody big job. Easy for Blair to put it on paper. Quite another thing to do.
     
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    Stupid pig 2222er.
    please log in to view this image
     
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    This is what Johnson aspires to.
     
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    Mmm after 3 Labour incidents that I read about yesterday regarding suspensions and racist comments I wouldn’t start throwing stones in glass houses.
     
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    ...and Blair before him. They get comparatively poor pay during the job and the perks come later. This is the same wrong approach as the MP's expenses scandal.

    I'd pay the PM more and tighten the rules that apply after holding office
     
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    The phrase "Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen" now banned by the wokies. So sad, its funny...
     
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    Israel. Am I the only one that feels more than uncomfortable that Palestinians are being turned out of their houses so that they can be taken over by Jewish settlers on the grounds that Jewish people lived in the area 2000 years ago?
     
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    The whole Israel question a cluster f**k. Not an easy solution.
     
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    It is, and it's nearly impossible for the Israeli government to deal with the dogmatism of the likes of Hamas. But Israel has to be the height of reasonableness if it doesn't want to lose international support. If it starts throwing out Palestinians of their houses and replacing them with Jewish families, they'll be accused of a type of apartheid. They need to tread carefully imo
     
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    I never get involved with that argument because as you say its a 'cluster f**k'.
     
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    I thought the project fear media had been quiet this week. Is it because of some of these news headlines?

    Five million EU citizens apply to settle in UK

    I thought they were all going home?

    Visa-free touring possible in 17 EU countries post-Brexit, says Dowden
    Funny, I was told artists wouldn't be able to tour the EU?

    Scottish salmon farmers' first quarter sales to EU up by 74%
    Hang on they said they wouldn't do a fish trade?

    Non-EU imports outpace goods from EU
    Let's all laugh at those deals with Vietnam and Co.

    Exports to Europe return to pre-Brexit levels
    No, this must be wrong. We were told that they wouldn't trade with us.

    UK economy powers ahead
    Strong Growth in March Shows U.K. Economy Headed for Swift Recovery

    Lies I tell you!

    As the weeks go by most of these myths are getting busted.
     
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    So the new Northern Ireland First Minister believes that God created the World 6,000 years ago.

    Still, more credible than all this 'Brexit's going brilliantly' nonsense.
     
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    Was originally for the israelies and against palestine and terrorism when i was younger. As you say i don't think anyone is against the Jews having a place of their own after WW2. What they don't teach you its the land grab year after year from israel who forcibly take more land. Its at this point that it's obvious that the bad guys here are the Israelies (although it is far more nuanced than this).
     
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