The Reserve And Academy Thread.

Basically we can play our whole reserves team in this competition as yhey are sll do young. Cheers for the updates chris. Didnt even know it was on.

 

Does the UEFA Youth cup follow the CL draw, so we play Basle and RM youth teams in a group.

 

ANyone know how we got on this evening against Man City u21s. I missed it.

 

4-3 defeat I'm hearing,don't have any detail. Soz

 

Just seen it on the website. Supposedly a game filled with quality, we went 2-0 down and came back twice.

 

Do you know much about Phillips mate?

 

Only from the summer tour and a bit of time for the u18s. He is very highly rated, but id be lying if i said i knew much about him.

 

I think Dominic King has got this partly correct.

"Liverpool’s academy has history, but Everton are the club with the Scouse heartbeat… now Klopp is ready to show there’s hope for local lads around Anfield"

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But using Rooney, Stones and Jeffers is bollocks, during Rooney's and Jeffers time at EFC our academy players that had made it to senior level were winning trophies and Stones was bought like Sterling but King reckons only Stones of the two can be classed as a youth product.

Flano(the scousers Cafu)seems to be forgotten by King.

But yeah EFC do seem to be picking up the best local talent, the part about the academy and melwood being separate entities and detriment to youth players progressing I agree with.

 

Liverpool’s academy has history but Everton are the club with the Scouse heartbeat… now Jurgen Klopp is ready to show there’s hope for local lads at Anfield

• New Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp watched the Under 18s win on Saturday
• Reds have brought through names like Steven Gerrard and Michael Owen
• However, it's 15 years since a local lad managed to get his name in lights
• Academy is five miles away from club's Melwood training ground
• Mersey rivals Everton, meanwhile, have regularly nurtured Scouse talent
• Boyhood Blues Wayne Rooney and Ross Barkley started out at Goodison

When Jurgen Klopp marched into Liverpool’s academy on Saturday, what he was immediately confronted by was history.

As soon as you walk through the main doors at the centre in Kirkby, mounted on the wall are all the shirts of those iconic graduates: Steve McManaman and Robbie Fowler; Michael Owen, Jamie Carragher and Steven Gerrard and, finally, Raheem Sterling.

The jerseys are there to inspire but the sight of Sterling’s name in that group should jar. Yes, he progressed to play for the first team but he was brought in from London. He wasn’t developed. Put it another way, it is more than 15 years since a local boy managed to get his name up in lights.

Across town, however, it has been a different story. Everton have been the club with the Scouse heartbeat; since the turn of the century, Wayne Rooney, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell and Ross Barkley were all taken from local leagues, nurtured and progressed to become England internationals.

At their Finch Farm base, there has been a clear line for progression. The corridors that lead from the academy changing rooms all have life-size pictures of the players who have worked their way up to play in the Barclays Premier League. There are, at present, more than 20 images.

There are key reasons for this. There is a warmth at Finch Farm that has left parents believing that is where their children will be best looked after. Everton have been outstanding in terms of selling a dream, providing proof that youngsters will be given a chance.

They have always had academy graduates around the team; from Francis Jeffers in the late 1990s right through to Tyias Browning, who played in the recent Merseyside derby, Everton have always been able to back up their promises with evidence: if you are good enough, you will get a chance.

It is no coincidence that five 16-year-olds have played for Everton in the Barclays Premier League.

Aside from that, training on the same complex as the first team gives them an incentive to impress. If someone in the senior ranks picks up an injury during a session, it only takes five minutes for a replacement to be drafted up from the schooling pitches.

Kirkby, Liverpool’s academy, by contrast is five miles away from where the senior team train at Melwood and has been regarded as clinical and lacking atmosphere. The facilities are state of the art but it has been a complaint of those who have worked there that it lacks a Liverpudlian soul.

The disenchantment has led to players and staff leaving and recently seven members of staff, including groundsmen and scouts, moved to Manchester City’s academy, where Rodolfo Borrell, the former Liverpool academy coach, now works as their international technical director.

More than anything, though, Everton’s recruitment and scouting has been better. It helped, of course, that Rooney and Barkley had natural affinities to the club but once Everton had a chance to sign them, they made sure those signatures would never be lost.

This is something, then, that Klopp must endeavour to put right. It is all very well talking about winning titles and conquering Europe but the biggest thing Klopp must do is give Liverpool back its local identity.

‘The door is pretty wide open and I don’t care about experience,’ Klopp has said.

Stood on the balcony at Kirkby, with a steaming cup of coffee in his hand, he will have been taken by the way Ovie Ejaria scored the only goal of a keenly contested Under 18 game against Stoke, pouncing from 12 yards after his scurrying had forced a mistake out of his marker. With Klopp, who advocates relentless running, it is a case of press to impress. This was a beneficial morning.

‘It is vitally important that the manager gets the drift for what is happening down there,’ said former Liverpool defender Gary Gillespie, who now works for the club’s TV station.

What will be fascinating to see, though, is how he develops players such as Jordan Rossiter, the young midfielder who was born in Maghull and grew up idolising Gerrard. He made a handful of appearances for Brendan Rodgers and hopes are high for him. Jon Flanagan – for whom injuries have been a source of constant dismay for the past 18 months – also has qualities that impress Klopp.

Further down at a younger age, Trent Alexander-Arnold – a 17 year old who was born in West Derby, the same district as the Melwood training ground – will progress. He recently signed his first professional contract and is currently away with England at the Under 17 World Cup.

He played as a right back in a pre-season friendly against Swindon and received a name check in Gerrard’s recently-published autobiography, as did Herbie Kane, a young midfielder who was brought to the club from Bristol.

There is local talent in Liverpool’s academy – the Under 18s recently demolished Manchester United 4-0 at Carrington with Alexander-Arnold scoring two of the goals – but there is nowhere near enough where it matters most of all.

Klopp, who took his first proper training session on Tuesday, is ready to show there is hope and that it is not impossible for those who grew up in the areas surrounding Anfield to make it on to the pitch. If they accept his challenge, the chance will come.

 

This is said as a negative for Liverpool:

Academy is five miles away from club's Melwood training ground


But then when talking about Everton...

At their Finch Farm base, there has been a clear line for progression. The corridors that lead from the academy changing rooms all have life-size pictures of the players who have worked their way up to play in the Barclays Premier League. There are, at present, more than 20 images.


Are Everton's youth based at Finch Farm? If so, that is 14.5miles away according to Google


I always thought they were based at Kirkby?

 

Yeah, they down sized and sold their old training ground(5 minutes walk from Melwood)and moved to Halewood keeping the youth and seniors in the same complex, Finch Farm is about 12 miles from Goodison, Melwood and the academy are closer to Anfield but at least 4 miles apart separating the junior and senior players.
I do think our youth system lost out when it moved into its state of the art academy complex and completely separated from mixing with the senior players.

 

So the seniors are at Finch Farm too? Fair enough.

 

I think expectation don't help. As we've been more successful in recent years, it's been harder to break into or starting line up. Would Osman or Rodwell got into our line up or would they be another Jay spearing? Players are going to get more chances at Everton as the step up in level hasn't been as high because Everton have mainly been below us in the last 10-15 years. Means players are more likely to get a chance as competition for places is less intense.

Not it the only reason and we can obviously do more, we should be producing better players but it's some of the reason as well

 

Yeah that's the case, Kenright sold their former training ground in a prime spot a few years ago.