Off Topic The SIR Kenny Dalglish Public House

thats just the standard idiocy of twitter which is why i have nowt to do with it .

 

I don't either but practically every news story you read has quotes from Twitter. It's awash with idiots who are trying to set the narrative on just about everything and unbelievably, are having some success.

 

I’ve managed to avoid any of this so I’ve no idea what the issue/problem is but anyone that gets that upset over a flag needs to take a look at their life and maybe put some time into Chairty work as they clearly have no other issues or anything better to do in their life.

 

Twitter has long since become the sole.sole for.many hacks to portray themselves as journalists.

For many radio shows it is the sole source of real interaction. A few might offer other means but the short one line is king.

Twitter offers media outlets the perfect short scoop access to celebrities and media outlets.

People are on these platforms to promote themselves. Many praise Instagram for being lovely and friendly but in reality people on it are just as fake and use pictures to sell rather than a few words to be nasty.

 

Well said.

 

The extreme end of RW politics always tries to claim rights to patriotism - you see the same in other countries too, especially the US. They equate socialism with communism and say that anyone with a sense of social responsibility wants to sell us out to the Russkis (even though they haven't been communist for 30 years either).
Patriotism apparently justifies anything. Like when Trumpy was asked about QAnon, he claimed he didn't know much about them but they obviously loved their country and seemed to like him. The fact that it's a holocaust-denying, anti-semitic, white supremacist movement advocating the ethnic cleansing of the USA and Europe apparently doesn't matter.

 

The yanks equating a party like the Democrats with communism and socialism is the funniest thing.

They are probably a mix of zealous liberals and capitalists that nigel Farage would be happy to work with if the wind blew that way.

In many ways however this country is just as stupid. The alter of the NHS is hilarious. A system that can see someone wait ages for a gp is run up a flag pole by both sides. The tories for example rolling out a public service when they privatised everything else when it suited is just as hypocritical as anything trump ever did.

I hear thing like where would we be without the NHS yet I note that some countries who are also rich like france and germany have every bit as good a health service.

In many ways I equate this patriotic flag waving with the end of empire. The nhs was born out of WWII and seen and is still seen in that light. It's never moved on. It is imo another flag waving exercise when in reality it's probably under funded and the nurses were rewarded with a kick in the teeth.

 

I remember seeing an anti-lockdown protest in Hyde Park last year, with a gaggle of barely literate Cockernees demanding their rights back from "this Communist government".
Imagine how far right you'd have to be to consider Boris a Communist. Though he does have the right name for one, I suppose - perhaps that's all it takes?
And speaking of Boris and the virus, I wonder what happened to that £350m a week that would go to the NHS if we weren't in Europe? I'm sure it's being well spent in combatting this deadly epidemic.
It really pisses me off that that blatantly false claim played a massive part in the decision-making of people who can't see beyond politicking and empty rhetoric. Boris wasn't even a supporter of Brexit until he saw it as an opportunity to cynically further his own career.
Prick.

 

Politics is a dirty business. I've never had any interest in it at all. This past year, with little else to do, I've followed some political issues and been genuinely shocked at the state of play. It's reminded me of why I avoided it in the first place. I don't need the anger and frustration that some of it brings. I have learned lots of catchy descriptors and phrases though.

 

Yes but the thing is most lies are ignored, it is the lie you want as your excuse that you choose to believe.

Theres as many running around today screaming moron in the face of people worried about az and screaming about 1 in a million .

People picked the 350million lie as their excuse to vote leave. The bus never actually said what the lie became either. It was very careful not to.

It was the excuse needed to be racist in some cases, didn't like foreigners but the nhs bus sounds better etc etc etc.

Same thing happened in america. Going about screaming lock her up and build a wall and all sorts to give an excuse to "chistians" to vote for a molester and a liar.

Critical thinking is lacking in all cases. It really is a case if dangling a convenient excuse to go your way and if it sticks great. If not try a different slogan

 

Tbf that covers both of them.

 

It's reminiscent of the school playground; name calling and blaming everything else. Pathetic at best.

 

Exactly.

 

A real genuine politician is a dreadful dull person. They normally dont succeed.

The louder shouter or tweeters now make it.

But then again the olden days has scum like Thatcher so they were bad in a different way.

 

I was a keen follower of politics, used to quite enjoy it, but its very much descended into two parties that are two different sides of the same coin.

Ultimately though what is comes down to is the intelligence of the man in the street and how easily they can swayed. Most people don't really give two ****s about who the prime minister is or what he's doing, have I got enough money in my pocket and how can I get more is the basics.

Voting for brexit because you think the poles and Romanians will **** off and you might possibly get a job in the factory your dad worked in isn't racist its self preservation. People put them selves first, they vote for the party who they think will help them the most.

I've known plenty of committed socialists who employ a very clever accountant to hide there earnings as well as plenty of right leaning people who are quite happy to donate to charity.

It's all a mishmash of ****.

 

Let's agree to disagree with the above.

I will agree about pink shirt pin stripe suit socialists though.

 

I think most people vote for the party they've always voted for without giving it any more thought than that. Socialism these days is a lot different to what it used to be. These days many of those who claim to stand for socialism are walking, talking advertisements for capitalism: home owners, iPhone users in designer clothes driving Mercs on their way to the airport for their third foreign holiday that year. It's a bit like Animal Farm - "the creatures looked from pig to man and man to pig and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

 

I'm sure you'll get done **** for that paragraph on here but not from me. I agree with the sentiment but it was more about the numbers for me (not that I voted on Brexit #abstained), we seem to be getting more and more crowded but never build the amenities to accommodate the extra figures.

Couldn't give a **** about race, religion, basically, etc. Best man (or woman) for the job and all that.

I've got myself into trouble plenty of times at work by saying "people around here would vote for a donkey if you put a red rosette on it". Works for either party colour in different areas too

 

I'm unsure if it's controversial or just possibly a different way of looking at how people think.

If the local factorys employees are 90% European, while its surrounded by high unemployment of the local population I'm fairly sure I'd be abit pissed off.

I'd want to know why the factory chose to employ them rather than me. I dont think its a race issue, its a why not me issue.

If you'd worked in a factory in Manchester and everyone was from Newcastle you'd want to know why, its not race its looking to protect your own interests.

 

I'll refer to my response to JB