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The way forward for THFC ??

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  1. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I think we all see it but the point is it is for the future, not the right now. Right now he should be focusing on simply establishing himself before being a leader, walk before he can run type of situation.
     
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  2. Spurf

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    By and large people are leaders they don't become leaders. Ignoring this is a source of many of our problems today and I am not just talking football. This is true in all walks of life.
     
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  3. The Huddlefro

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    I don’t think it’s entirely true that injuries gave Skipp his place. He was one of the few standouts at the base of a midfield 3 under Nuno and made a number of starts before his injury problems that season. I agree that in a midfield 2 he is likely only starting because of injuries but if we played a 3 I think he’s the best choice of our current crop to anchor it.
     
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  4. Citizen Kane.

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    That was before we signed Bentancur and Bissouma though. By signing them perhaps we were expressing concerns about Skipp's trajectory and/or his overall fitness?
     
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  5. Citizen Kane.

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    Re Sissoko it's worth mentioning that he only really emerged as a "leader" when it became apparent that Aurier and Ndombele basically needed a babysitter and he took on the role of an older brother to them.

    We wouldn't need leaders like that if we stopped signing clowns.
     
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  6. The Huddlefro

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    Certainly we needed depth and quality. Which is why we signed them. I think we’re not necessarily seeing the best of Skipp because he’s not a great fit for the system. Bentancur and Bissouma can each do a bit of everything and do it pretty well. I think you could play either of them as box to box 8s, basically what they’ve been doing under Conte, and either as a 6 if you wanted, especially Bentancur, though they have more to offer elsewhere. Skippy is more of a specialist. He’s intelligent and aware enough to do a job as an 8 but he’s not as technical as the other two and not as creative in his passing, so it’s not a natural fit.
     
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  7. The RDBD

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    Returning to the essence of this article, my points :

    - 4 (DoF)
    - 3 (manager)
    - 5a/b/c (player acquisition)

    are all reset or open to a reset at the same time.
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

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    Well I think I've found the stupidest take imaginable...

    please log in to view this image
     
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  9. LockStock

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    Erm….

    Whilst I agree with you sentiment to a degree, and I'm all for signing better players, I think it's more accurate to say that Sissoko became a leader when Dembele's absence became a crippling factor at the beginning of the squads decline. In a squad stripped of a backbone, Sissoko becomes the 'goat'.

    I disagree that we wouldn't need leaders like that. We've always needed leaders like that.

    Sissoko was like a gaffa tape lesser alternative temporary fix for losing Wanyama and Dembele who were both firm in midfield. Before that it was Scott Parker partnering Modric, before that it was Palacios partnering Huddlestone. When these players came into our squad they always made a positive impact and added rigidity to a, too often, too soft centre. (Redknapp having to field a midfield pivot of Modric and Kranjcar in an inevitable heavy loss comes to mind.)

    Look at how Dembele was willing to fight in the battle of the bridge.

    Who, apart from, Sissoko, has had any kind of physical stature like that on he pitch to let the opposition know not to f&*( with our players?

    Winks? Skipp? <laugh> Even Hojbjerg, "the viking", is lightweight and passive in comparison to prime Dembele, and he annoys me sometimes with his seeming passivity in key moments. Anyhow, I digress.
     
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  10. humanbeingincroydon

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    Cue crying at our lack of blood money...
     
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  11. paultheplug

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    Perhaps it was to in prove squad depth, something we all wanted. Unfortunately it coincided with a spate of injuries.
     
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  13. The RDBD

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  14. The RDBD

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    So of the six points I listed, we currently have :

    1/2 - no changes needed as such

    3 - new manager, style of play TBC

    4 - no new DoF

    5 - academy personnel in churn

    6 - no changes likely
     
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  15. Billy The Spur

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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    The obvious issue with this graph is that it suggests The Sheikh Mansour Team aren't investing either
     
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  17. SpursDisciple

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    Or they are inflating revenue
     
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  18. The RDBD

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    Superb control of the wage bill by Levy
    (what is not spent on wages is by definition
    available for transfer fees) .
     
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  19. The RDBD

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    The measure is a ratio R ( = X/Y) .
    So to get R= 0.5, I can have 5/10, 50/100. 500/1000 etc.

    Or from those who do stattery in their day job :

    1. R means nothing without knowing X and Y

    2. Publishing R without giving X and Y (or citing
    sources that do) is an immediate alarm bell for
    potential statistical deceit.
     
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  20. humanbeingincroydon

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    Realistically what these graphs actually show is some clubs are run by people who couldn't be trusted to run a bath, most obviously Everton, Leicester and the Saudis

    And that's the problem with the Leicester myth: they were held up for years as a model we should follow, and yet their model was based entirely on selling a player for a massive markup every summer to balance out how their wage bill had got out of control
     
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