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Things We Think We Think #264

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  1. originallambrettaman

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    1. Where on earth to start with the Derby debacle? Oddly enough, it wasn’t that bad for the first half hour or so. City trailed, with Aina and McGregor about equally to blame for Derby’s opener, but we were in the game. Until Larsson missed a penalty. How does a professional footballer, whose actual job it is to direct a football in a particular direction, MISS a penalty? Having one saved is almost understandable, though still unimpressive when there are parts of a goal that a keeper cannot reach available for the taker. But to fail to steer a stationary football with no accompanying opponents into the available 192 square feet from a mere twelve yards…it’s baffling.

    2. There are no excuses for what followed. 1-0 down having just missed a penalty isn’t a great situation. 4-0 down at half-time is impossible to salvage, yet that’s what City’s total capitulation following Larsson’s error ensured. It was as appalling a quarter-hour as you could ever wish to see at this level of football.

    3. But how? Well, Leonid Slutsky erred with his team selection. Unless David Meyler was either injured or exhausted following international duty, his benching was a decision that’s tough to understand. So is the inclusion of Markus Henriksen, who offers disappointingly little when things are going well and virtually nothing when they aren’t. City were often overrun in the first half, and the team selection needs questioning as much as the application of those who were selected.

    4. Kudos to Curtis Davies for not celebrating his goal (though we’re not fragile or juvenile enough to be emotionally scarred forever if an ex-player larges it a bit when putting one over on us) and bigger kudos to Davies and Tom Huddlestone as well for making a point of applauding the 1,054 City fans who made the journey. They never got chance to say goodbye; and neither did we. And they deserved applause back because they were and are excellent footballers and good professionals, and worthy of our continued respect.

    5. Two big games this week. Going to Fulham is aesthetically pleasant but seldom easy; playing Sunderland at home is often vociferous and not always pleasant. It’s about time City decided what they are going to be – capable of swatting away distracted opposition at the Circle while grinding out agreeable performances and results on their travels? Currently it’s one and not the other.

    6. And the Derby horror show reminded us of just how awful we have actually been away from home for a very long time. It’s not new territory, of course; our first relegation from the Premier League was aided emphatically by a winless season away from home, and there was joy and relief usually associated with last day escapes when that came to an end a few games into the next season at Norwich. But being so dreadful on our travels is embarrassing and must come to an end quickly.

    7. We wouldn’t ordinarily concern ourselves with Ehab Allam’s utterances on Friday. They’re as banal, wrongheaded, self-serving and cretinous as you’d expect from him or his father. But…wasn’t it interesting that the club issued them on Friday, a day when the club was being lambasted by two different football authorities. It could be coincidence rather than distraction. Or it could not be.

    8. Either way, having already secured for themselves a place in the gutter, it’s clear that the Allam family are now intent on establishing an even more subterranean position for their shattered reputation. Firstly, the club was censured by the Premier League for failing to offer concessions last season. The club misled us when saying concessions still existed, and have now been reprimanded for not doing so. Furthermore, City’s assertion that the rules were “ambiguous” is not true. They’re explicitly clear. City were unaware of them when acting to spite their own fans, and when the magnificent Hull City Supporters’ Trust began their determined campaign to reverse this assault upon our future fanbase, they simply hoped they’d get away with it. That’s evidenced by their refusal to implement concessions even now that their malpractice has been exposed, and as the Upper West Stand lies empty, no-one with an ounce of integrity or intelligence could contend that they’ve had a positive effect.

    9. Friday didn’t get much better for City, when the Independent Football Ombudsman issued scathing criticism of the club for having chosen “not to co-operate” with an investigation into alleged mis-selling of these godforsaken memberships. It was, in their view, “unacceptable and unprecedented” for a club to not co-operate. Just think about that. It is literally without precedent that a professional football club in this country should choose not to assist into an investigation launched for the benefit of one of their own fans. It’s a squalid new low.

    10. But it’s explicitly the wishes of Hull City AFC. The owners enact policies that intentionally harm the supporters of the club, which are then carried out (with varying enthusiasm) by employees at all levels. Be in no doubt: our owners viscerally loathe City supporters, and haven’t bothered hiding it for some time. Well, it’s mutual. But don’t for a second think you’re going to win, because you aren’t.

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  2. Kempton

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    10. No one should shy away from this fact. If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.
     
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  3. Fez

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    Not sure who he is speaking to, here.

    If he's talking to the supporters then he's right, if to the owners then he's wrong.
     
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    If you don't win hearts and minds, you've lost
     
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    4. Yes we are, a lot of people bitched and moaned when Campbell did his celebration for Cardiff.
     
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  6. Fez

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    Only if that matters to you.
     
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  7. Kempton

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    He's talking to the owners Fez. And he's so very right.

    Edit: Unless I've missed something...

    What the **** are you thinking?
     
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    we were solid away from home under Nige
     
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  9. Evington

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    Another great bulletin from AN
     
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  10. Carmine Galante.

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    For numerous reasons my sons favourite away day was 'the' Norwich game.

    '21 ( or was it 22 ? ) games and we're still here ' shouted at bemused, inbred Norfolk morons from point blank range was his own particular highlight.
     
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  11. Brucebones

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    Was just thinking that myself!
     
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    Yes that's true, but a lot more people think that course of action was pathetic and fans should get over themselves and their petty world view. But those with a more measured view probably didn't express that on Twitter and this message board.
     
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  13. Fez

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    I think he's talking to owners, which makes him wrong. What is it that they will never win?

    Money? They seem to be doing okay.

    Concessions? Only should we be promoted and even then it is a pyrrhic victory for the support and a defeat, for them, that a few changes will lose in the administration.

    Name? He just about does what he wants and gets away with it.

    If he sells he walks away the winner, he will have exacted his revenge on the supporters and, to a point, on the establishment.

    Nobody has told him how to run his business; not really.
     
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    They did.
     
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    Whilst I agree with your general thrust I disagree that they has won anything, even if he walks away from Hull City AFC with £30 million profit. Yes they will have made a lot of money but their legacy will be one of failure.

    They fails to fill the KCOM after most of our successful seasons on the football pitch.

    They failed to build a football team capable of staying in the Premier League despite spending over £250 million pounds.

    They failed to build an academy the club owns.

    They failed to persuade the college to allow an indoor training pitch to be built close to the academy.

    They failed to build a sports centre.

    They failed to persuade the FA to change the name.

    They've failed to improve on the position Bartlett left us in.

    We live in a rented ground, we have the same training centre in Cottingham, we rent an academy and have sold most of our best players because we can't afford them. The only success they can claim is that despite more than doubling our debt we don't have creditors banging on our door.

    As Dylan sang, "there's no success like failure and failure's no success at all".
     
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  16. Gone For A Walk

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    They have lost already.
    Three things drive them - money, ego and legacy, with the latter being the thing that lasts.
    Their legacy is that many thousands in Hull and surrounds now detest them.
    It should never have been like this, but it is, and it's all their own fault.
     
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  17. Chazz Rheinhold

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    In reply obi they would say three years in the pl two promotions to the pl. first and only season in Europe in seven years in charge. Most successful owners ever. Beat that.

    Do you see anyone beating it?
     
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    In that sense they are the most successful owners but only just. Bartlett runs them a close second with our first ever promotion to the Premier League, beating Arsenal at the Emirates, something Manchester United didn't achieve, and two years in the top flight.

    I don't see why anyone can't beat their record on the pitch, but depends on the state the Allams leave the club in and how much money the new owners have. Pearson and Bartlett showed Hull City's potential to become an established top flight club, something the Allams recognised, tried to achieve and failed to do so, despite having over a quarter of a billion pounds flow through their fingers.
     
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    A lot of the success should be accredited to Steve Bruce's good relationship with Papa, he knew how to deal with the owner and that clerly changed when Ehab 'took over'. There was a trust between Bruce & Papa which oiled the works. Any good feeling has long since gone and Ehab 'expects' Phelan, Silva, Slutsky etc; to do a job which is over and above what should be reasonably expected given the circumstances.

    Add to this the suffocation of media - change in live match broadcasting to Viking 'yes-men', the stealth re-branding online, the contempt towards supporters and the poor communication and we're left with a very unhappy and unhealthy club.
     
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    Most money pumped in - two relegations - halved the crowd - 6th manager - worse position than when they started in terms of league position and squad and still were in debt - ****ing useless comes to mind
     
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