Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Arsenal

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Tottenham Hotspur host Arsenal at White Hart Lane Saturday 7th February 2015 (KO 12:45) in the 24th match of the 2014-15 Premier League season.

Tottenham come into the game in 6th place in the Table on 40 points with Arsenal in 5th on 42 points. This will be the 256th time the two teams have met.

Spurs v Arsenal is now one of the great rivalries in World Football but the fixture had very different beginings back in November 1887 when the clubs first met in a friendly played on Tottenham Marshes. Arsenal, then called Royal Arsenal, had been formed just a year earlier as Dial Square and were essentially the works team for the munitions factory situated in Woolwich, Kent, while Spurs who had been formed some five years earlier in 1882 still had many of the youngsters who founded the club playing for them. Spurs won that first encounter 2-1, although the game was cut short by 15 minutes, due to poor light conditions because of the Arsenal team getting lost and turning-up late for the start.

Seven more friendlies were played between the two clubs from 1888 to 1896 with Spurs winning four and Arsenal winning three before their first competitive match in March 1899. By this time, Arsenal were re-named Woolwich Arsenal and the clubs met in the United League with the Gunners winning 2-1 at the Manor Ground in Plumstead while Spurs won the return match 3-2 at Northumberland Park.

Two matches were played within the same week in April 1900 in the Southern District Combination League with Spurs winning 4-2 at White Hart Lane which was followed by a 2-1 win to Arsenal at Plumstead in a game abandoned after 75 minutes due to "bad language". History doesn't provide the answer as to who was the guilty party! From 1901 to 1920, the clubs met in various minor competitions, friendlies and matches played during the First World War.

Tottenham Hotspur joined the Football League in season 1908-09 and won promotion to the First Division on their first attempt. The following season they played Arsenal in December 1909 and lost 0-1 at the Manor Ground in Plumstead, while the reverse fixture at White Hart Lane ended in a 1-1 draw with John Curtis scoring Spurs' first League goal against the Gunners.

The teams met for three more seasons before Arsenal's relegation at the end of the 1912-13 season with Spurs winning three matches, Arsenal winning two and one game drawn.

September 1913 proved to be a hugely important date in the history of both clubs as Arsenal controversially moved from south of the River Thames into the territory reserved for Tottenham Hotspur and Clapton (later Leyton) Orient, in clear violation of the rules and regulations governing such relocations as stipulated by the Football League. Despite bitter protests, Arsenal's move to Highbury (more correctly called Arsenal Stadium) was allowed.

White Hart Lane was requisitioned by the Army during WWI, so Spurs played many of their wartime matches at Highbury.

When League football resumed after the war in 1919, it was decided to once again expand the First Division from 20 teams to 22. The normal way of doing this had always been to add the top two clubs from the Second Division to those who were already in the First Division. However, there were complications arising from allegations of match-fixing from Liverpool and Manchester United during the final matches of the last season played before the League was suspended and it was felt that they would forfit their Top Flight status as a result.

From nowhere, Arsenal, who had finished sixth (later corrected to fifth) in the Second Division before the war were 'elected' to take Tottenham Hotspur's place in the First Division. Allegations of bribery persist to this day and Henry Norris (Arsenal's Chairman) was later given a lifetime ban from football from the Football League for underhand financial activities.

Spurs and Arsenal played their first Football League match after World War One in the First Division in January 1921 with Spurs winning 2-1 at White Hart Lane while Arsenal won the return match at Highbury 3-2. All 150 League games played to date have taken place in the Top Flight of English football.

Highbury was taken over by the Army during the Second World War and Spurs returned the favour by allowing Arsenal to play their wartime matches at White Hart Lane. Arsenal won the first FA Cup meeting between the two teams 3-0 in the 3rd Round in January 1949. The clubs have played five FA Cup matches to date with Spurs winning two and Arsenal winning three.

The first Football League Cup match took place in November 1968 with Arsenal winning the first leg of the Semi-Final 1-0 at Highbury and Spurs drawing 1-1 at White Hart Lane the following month. Of the 12 League Cup matches played so far, Spurs have won 3, Arsenal have won 6 and three games have been drawn.

Both Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur were founder members of the Premier League in season 1992-93 and both clubs are among the seven (Liverpool, Everton, Chelsea, Manchester United and Aston Villa are the other five) who have been ever-present during the 21 seasons of the competition.

Arsenal went two goals ahead by halftime in the 2010-11 fixture at the Emirates in November through Samir Nasri and Marouane Chamakh but Spurs came back strongly with goals from Gareth Bale, Rafael van der Vaart (penalty) and Younes Kaboul to secure a 3-2 win.

The match at White Hart Lane in April 2011 was a six goal thriller with honours even. Theo Walcott and Rafael van der Vaart scored goals within the first 10 minutes before Samir Nasri put the Gunners 2-1 up after 12 minutes. Arsenal went further ahead with a Robin van Persie goal on 40 minutes but Tom Huddlestone made it 2-3 by halftime. Van der Vaart scored the only goal in the second half from the penalty spot.

The fixture at White Hart Lane in October 2011 was won by Spurs 2-1 with goals from Rafael van der Vaart and Kyle Walker with Aaron Ramsey scoring for Arsenal. The Gunners won their home match in February 2012 5-2. Louis Saha had put Spurs ahead after 4 minutes and an Emmanuel Adebayor penalty put Tottenham further ahead after 34 minutes. But Arsenal pulled two goals back before half-time through Bacary Sagna and Robin van Persie. Tomas Rosicky put Arsenal in front just after the break and the rout was completed with a brace from Theo Walcott.

During the 2012 summer transfer window, Spurs signed former Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor from Manchester City after having spent a season on loan.

The match on 17th November at the Emirates resulted in a 5-2 win for Arsenal. Emmanuel Adebayor put Spurs ahead after 10 minutes but was sent-off eight minutes later for a rash tackle on Santi Cazorla. Arsenal then scored three times to make it 3-1 at halftime - Per Mertesacker, Lukas Podolski and Olivier Giroud grabbing the goals. Santi Cazorla put Arsenal further ahead on the hour mark but Gareth Bale pulled one back for Spurs before Theo Walcott scored the fifth for Arsenal just before the final whistle.

Spurs won the match at the Lane in March 2013 2-1 with Gareth Bale scoring after 37 minutes and Aaron Lennon adding a second two minutes later. Per Mertesacker pulled a goal back for Arsenal six minutes into the second half.

Olivier Giroud scored in the 23rd minute to give Arsenal the points in the September 2013 Premier League game at the Emirates. Arsenal ran-out 2-0 winners in the FA Cup 3rd Round match played at the Emirates in January 2014 with Santi Cazorla & Tomas Rosicky scoring a goal each. The 2013-14 League game at the Lane in May 2014 finished in a 1-0 win to Arsenal after Tomas Rosicky scored in the second minute.

Belgian winger Nacer Chadli put Spurs ahead at the Emirates in September 2014 early in the second half but Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain equalised for Arsenal after 74 minutes.

As far as Football League / Premier League matches go, three player have both scored nine goals for Spurs against Arsenal - Billy Minter and Bobby Smith.
Three Arsenal players have each scored eight goals against Spurs - Robert Pires, Emmanuel Adebayor and Alan Smith.
There have been three hat-tricks scored during North London Derbies - Terry Dyson for Spurs and Ted Drake & Alan Sunderland for Arsenal.
Jimmy Robertson & Emmanuel Adebayor are the only two players to score for both Spurs & Arsenal in a North London Derby.
Arsenal's David O'Leary has played in the most North London Derbies (35) while both Gary Mabbutt & Steve Perryman played 31 games with Spurs.

Overall, Spurs have won 91 of the 255 matches played against Arsenal with the Gunners winning 104 and 60 matches drawn.

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Full History of Tottenham Hotspur v Arsenal Matches 1887-2015

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They Played for Spurs & Arsenal....​

Emmanuel Adebayor
Clive Allen
Charlie Ambler
Bob Arber (Arsenal player, Spurs reserves manager)
David Bentley
David Black
Anton Blackwood
Jimmy Brain
Laurie Brown
Walter Bugg
Lycurgus Burrows
Sol Campbell
Herbert Chapman (Spurs player, Arsenal manager)
Damien Comolli (Director of Football at both clubs)
Freddie Cox
James Delvin
Wilf Dixon (Spurs assistant manager, Arsenal trainer)
Jack Eggett
Tom Fitchie
Theo Foley (Arsenal assistant manager, Spurs reserves manager)
William Gallas
George Graham (Arsenal player, manager of both clubs)
Vic Groves
Tom Hatfield
Stewart Houston (Assistant manager at both clubs)
Joe Hulme (Arsenal player, Spurs manager)
George Hunt
David Jenkins
Pat Jennings
Bill Julian
Peter Kyle
Neil Lacy
Bill Lane (Spurs player, Arsenal scout)
Peter McWilliam (Spurs manager, Arsenal scout)
Tom Meade
Billy Minter
Terry Naylor
Terry Neill (Arsenal player, manager of both clubs)
Jamie O'Hara
Tom O'Shea
George Payne
Ron Piper
Tom Pratt
Rohan Ricketts
Jimmy Robertson
Andrew Swan
Walter Thomas
Erik Thorstvedt
Steve Walford
Ernie Walley (Spurs player, Arsenal coach)
Charlie Williams
Willie Young

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Tottenham Hotspur Premier League Player's Squad Numbers 1993-94 to 2014-15

Arsenal Premier League Player's Squad Numbers 1993-94 to 2014-15

Premier League London Derbies Season 2014-15

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Once again, a superb thread.

Let's hope that the teams performance and result is as good as this thread!

F.O.G.S

 

Sanchez will be a big loss for that lot if he's not fit

 

I'm not 100% sure what FOGS stands for but if i assume GS is "Gunner Scum" i think i've got it.

 

Nearly right Spurm
Stands for F uck Off Gooner Scum

 

I never understand why we didn't change the lyrics of the **** 'em all chant. "Chelsea, West Ham, Arse-er-nal" works just as well and is more relevent to Spurs.

Hopefully we'll win comfortably and get to do "Theo, what's the score?" at the end of the game.

 

Anyone else find it remarkably convenient that the fixture computer spat out a NLD and a Mersey derby for the same weekend - which also coincides with the opening weekend of the Six Nations?

 

I see a 2-1 win but just not sure who to

 

Thanks for the excellent thread, THFC.

The big question to me is who among Dembele, Chadli, Townsend and Lamela starts. On form it would probably be Eriksen, Dembele and Townsend. I can’t decide between that and Chadli, Eriksen and Townsend. I’d also prefer Dier to Fazio, but think we’ll see Fazio. It will probably be Rose over Davies. I think Pochettino won’t start Bentaleb. If Bentaleb doesn’t start, I hope it’s Stambouli and not Paulinho.

 

I saw a documentary on the fixture computer once. It takes SO many things into consideration, teams close to each other, policing etc and it balances it all over weeks and weeks of the season(s).
You often get derbies together for this reason and i'm not surprised whatsoever that it churned out 2 while the 6 nations is on either.

 

It doesn't exist: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/paulfletcher/2009/06/secrets_of_the_fixture_compute.html
They put it together and often make things a priority, which is why you end up with Super Sundays and the like.

 

What the hell!? I watched an entire documentary on that ****ing thing. It was really interesting considering i'm a software developer.
I feel like i've been violated.

What they described does sound very similar to what i watched though. The documentary would have been well before 2009

 

Not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere - and expecting to get slagged off for daring to add my support to the premise but....

Brad Friedel has been quoted as supporting Adebayor in relation to his commitment and attitude on the training pitch and within the club. No doubt OS will be able to provide some insight, but I happen to respect Brad and don't think he would go public to defend Ade if he didn't want to.

The guy (Ade) will NEVER to accepted by a large majority of Spurs fans - not least for his Gooner past - but as I have previously maintained, why the hell are we as Spurs fans so keen to slag off a current player (risking damaging team morale etc etc) based on alleged history and press speculation?

In my near 50 years of supporting Spurs I have no recollection of any single player who has stimulated such diverse debate - but even that would arguably be acceptable, except WHY the hell do we seem so happy to always believe the worst about Ade - at the risk of seriously damaging our own chances.

I personally hope that we take Brads comments at face value tomorrow and don't provide the Gooners with an 'open goal'..... Support ALL the guys that run on to Lane pitch tomorrow - NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!

COYS!!!!

 

This thread reminds me of why I hate those cheating gooners. I'm so looking forward to is whipping them tomorrow.

 

The Gooner media are extremely confident about tomorrow, all articles I see are about how gooners can beat us without Sanchez.

Naturally I'm not confident and never am against them but if all this dross in the media doesn't get the players pumped I don't know what will.

COYS!

 

I hope the players don't fixate on Sanchez being ruled out and think the job's going to be less difficult - a few years back Henry was ruled out of the NLD, yet that day we played like we wanted to redress the balance by not marking any of their players whenever they got in our half.

 

I totally agree that the booing isn't helping anyone but Ade does deserve it as far as I'm concerned. This is the 3rd club where his attitude has been called into question and the 4th time he's fallen out with the manager and/or fans(he's done it twice with us). With Soldado, he might not score but you can see him out there chasing players down making runs to pull players out of position and generally doing what the manager wants. When Ade's on the pitch you get patches of effort and an awful lot of doing whatever he feels like. It's probably why he gets on better with managers like Redknapp and Sherwood who are more inclined to let him do what he wants.

Personally, I haven't forgiven him for the whole ACON nonsense 2 seasons ago. How can you not even let your club know where you are for a week? Ade's always putting himself first and his club way down the list and it's been to the detriment of his career. I thought he was a fantastic prospect at Arsenal and one that I quietly always enjoyed watching play so I was delighted when we got him but it's his fault he's let it all go to waste.

Anyway, I don't boo him and if he plays tomorrow anyone that boos him is an idiot, it's the Scum and we need to be 100% behind our team. Besides the point has been made, I don't think anyones in any doubt that the club and fans are fed up with him but there's nothing that can be done about it until the summer.

 

I thought when it was announced that it might've been mind games and from Wenger's comments today Sanchez might well play afterall. I expect he'll at least be on the bench, you don't take precautions with a player for a big game if your next 2 are Boro and Leicester at home.

 

Now with the RBS six nations on times like this can be good or bad for me. Sometimes England and spurs lose and sometimes they win together. England have just pipped( Could have thrashed) Wales so COME ON YOU SPURS, make it two out of two.