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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Manchester City -League Cup Final

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Apr 23, 2021.

  1. Lovearsenalcock

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  2. remembercolinlee

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    It was incompetent beyond belief that Levy had not got a back up plan in place.

    We had a run of losing 5 out of 6 Premier league games (scoring 4 conceding 10) in Jan-Feb and played terrible throughout.

    It was obvious then than JM had to go yet 2 months on and we are only now approaching managers?

    They clearly approached managers before sacking Jol, Ramos, Sherwood and Pochettino so it ain't like they have no experience of doing it.
     
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  3. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    There are a LOT of people who feel the same. My brother's giving up his season ticket, that he's had forever. I'm not renewing my membership next season. There'll be no merch or stadium tours....

    I'm not expecting us to spend like the financially doped clubs but until the club's sporting direction is fit for purpose, I'm not going to put money in their pockets, so that they can concentrate on being a venue for hire, property developers or competing for an NFL franchise.

    Like the club in general, Levy's living on past glories and until there's a management structure in place to improve things, my money stays in my pocket.
     
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  4. PowerSpurs

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    I think a bit of realism is needed. Over the last 11 years the only two teams to finish in the top six every year are us and Man City. So despite having less income than five other clubs, and apparently having no footballing acumen and being incompetent at hiring managers, Levy has delivered good outcomes. Why the massive over reaction to the possibility that we might also have one poor season? Mourinho was a gamble that failed. It's no big deal.
     
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  5. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Realism is also noticing a steady decline since the end of 2017 that’s now leading into a steep decline. We are literally clinging onto our top six hopes primarily because of two players (in fact it’s more just the one). As the results and style of football has gotten worse, the prices have gone up. The club doesn’t seem to know what it’s doing anymore and it’s incredibly out of touch with fans now too. I think for many, the ESL announcement was also somewhat a final nail in the coffin for people’s support of the owners. The THST have called for board resignations and fans are supposedly looking to do a protest on the day we face Villa.


    There’s absolutely nothing for fans to be happy about at the moment with this football club.
     
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  7. The RDBD

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    Two poor seasons . Of :

    1. football (by the standards of the Pochettino reign) .
    2. No full houses at new WHL.

    BIG deal.
     
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  8. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    A lot of people saw the failure of Mourinho as absolutely inevitable. It was idiotic and avoidable.

    ENIC aren't putting any money into the club and they aren't putting in the intelligence and expertise to run the sporting side. That's the minimum that I expect.

    A lot of loyal supporters aren't going to forgive Levy concentrating on the development projects and NFL, whilst we go into another slump. Why should we?
     
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  9. Citizen Kane.

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    I think DH and others (RCL especially) have alluded to what has exacerbated discontent and that is the complete disconnect between the club and its fanbase. The disastrous moves on the furlough scheme and Super League plus charging the costliest ticket prices in the league to watch crap football have wrecked whatever goodwill the stadium brought. Maybe we were naive fools for ever thinking otherwise, but I and many others have never felt more like a 'consumer' - a statistic on a balance sheet - over a 'fan', a person with deep emotional ties to the club that my family have supported through thick and thin (and anemic) for going on 80 years.

    Were we all blind fools to think otherwise, when success these days is so obviously tied to commercialisation? Yes and no. When the club's executive repeats the mantra that we are 'doing things differently' to the likes of City and Chelsea, fans can be forgiven for believing them - especially when the quid pro quo of that belief is the acceptance of countless trophyless seasons. And when the chairman repeatedly reminds the fans that he is first and foremost a Spurs lad who grew up watching the side, they can be forgiven for assuming he has their best interests at heart.

    But then when literally everything else the club says and does contradicts these assumptions. When colossal misjudgements are brushed under the brewery carpet with non-apologies and chicanery. When the results on the pitch do nothing to alleviate any of that, the fans can be forgiven for seeing the sum total as a 'big deal'.

    So yes, while it is true we've finished in the top 6 eleven years running, we've felt like mugs at the end of at least 4 of them. This year that will be 5.
     
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  10. remembercolinlee

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    It was a stupid gamble that was never going to work.

    He delivered the most turgid football we have seen this century...worse than Hoddle, Pleat, Jol, Ramos, Redknapp, AVB, Sherwood and Pochettino...he rivals bloke in a coat and Gross for ****e football seen at WHL.

    This is not an over reaction.
    My love of spurs is not just about winning... it is about our history, good football and community.
    We have monumentally screwed up a good team on the pitch but it's the furloughing of low paid staff (we can afford to pay way more in compensation to JM than we'd have saved furloughing staff) and the ESL that is the final straw for me.

    I get others don't feel the same but to call it sn over reaction is a bit dismissive tbh.
     
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  11. humanbeingincroydon

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    The problem is that a section of our support - a "Fringe" of some description or other - have become so obsessed with chucking a few bits of silverware into our trophy cabinet as soon as possible that bringing the ubermensch in was the quickest way to shut them up, doubly so since plenty of them were demanding the ubermensch be brought in during Poch's last days

    In other words, he was brought in to shut up the shoutiest section of our fanbase who are clearly rattled by Nomad and Chav trolls and base their opinions on that rather than anything we do, or to put it another way the section of our fanbase who see AFTV and don't think they come off as too demented

    And this is the issue with our fanbase: there's hundreds of sensible conversations out there, but none of them fit on a banner - but the idiotic conversations certainly do fit on a banner, and those are the people standing outside Wembley with placards in the pouring rain or blatantly using the ESL debacle as an excuse to break out the banners they were using a couple of years ago and think nobody noticed, and those people get all the press coverage no matter how (or entirely because of how) thick they make the rest of us look
     
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  12. Citizen Kane.

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    Nope. He was brought in because Levy has a massive man-crush on him and had been trying to bring him to the club since 2005.
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    2004, actually

    But ignore the fact the shoutiest, most banner-waving parts of our fanbase were actively demanding he be brought in to replace Poch even before Poch was sacked
     
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  14. Dier Hard

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    You just know Levy definitely fapped one out in his office once Jose signed the contract. His near two decade long wait to get the guy was over.

    Only to then see that dream shattered within 17 months... Spursy doesn't just apply to the playing squad it seems, <rofl>
     
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  15. Spurf

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    I think so much of CK's comment is spot on. We were told and accepted that Levy is a fan and there is no doubt he has done a great job financially and with the new infrastructure. I am not so harsh as others on his performance with player recruitment and living so far away means the cost of a season ticket is not a personal issue for me but Levy as a fan has never shown much support for the supporters with the highest ticket prices in the league. Then comes ESL! now this reveals his priorities. Fans have long argued that we miss out on players that would make a real difference because of Levy's pursuit of a bargain. Consider what difference Bruno Fernandez and Grealish would have made to our present squad . If Levy put football first he would surely have gone that extra mile to sign those two. How much of this is Joe Lewis and how much this is the board in London or Levy himself we don't really know. Whoever is responsible in this setup they need to make some effort to appease the fans in a clear and tangible way or the calls for ENIC out will not go away.
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    Pfft, still lasted longer than the dream of Juande Ramos

    That was worth bumping into him in a Seville hotel...
     
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    My youngest is hoping to go to uni this October. She has quite severe mental health difficulties and is really hoping that if Covid is sorted that by November/ December or early 2022 that she'll be able to come home from where ever and go to a game with me and her sister (like her sister did when at uni) ... this gives me such a sense of pride. The idea that my daughter really wants to continue our family football tradition makes me feel like I was a good dad...for her to want to travel from Bournemouth or Nottingham to spend just a few hours with me is amazing.

    That's what Levy has nearly broken.
    It's why I want him out.
    He has no right to **** with that.

    It's only my daughter that is going to keep me as a member.

    If we had won a dozen trophies in the last 20 years, the furloughing and ESL and turgid football would make me feel the same.
     
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  18. PowerSpurs

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    All the things you mention were mistakes by Levy. And I'm glad that you feel passionately about them and the club. But it's phrases like 'the final straw' that get me. I'm not in the mindset that Levy has been piling straws on for years and is in constant need of forgiveness. I see a Chairman who has delivered our best ever sequence of league finishes and got us to five cup finals including the biggest one of all. He has simultaneously delivered the best training ground and the best stadium in the world. I would say he had a barrowload of straws in hand.
    And every one else in Levy's position made the ESL mistake.
     
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    The ESL was not a 'mistake' it was a very deliberate act of huge greed that ignored the traditions of football. The unity against this move in England was remarkable that tells you the size of the contempt for this proposal. This was huge arrogance and complete and utter disregard for football fans. To call it a 'mistake' is an insult to the game.
     
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  20. PowerSpurs

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    Fair enough. But I can't see that any other owner of Spurs, presented with the decision, would have been able to risk turning it down with a huge stadium debt to pay off.
     
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