Transfer Rumours transfer thread fact and fiction

I did read the post and i will say again, the price depends on how much you want a player.
If two clubs hit the same valuation then it's down to the player to decide dependant on club or contract offer.

 

Look how innocent he looks, poor guy has no idea the misery that awaits him for the next few years

 

So you agree with me that he wouldn't necessarily been our player on 3 Jan if we had paid the release clause on 1 Jan (not that we could have anyway as the banks were closed).

 

Oh yes, i agree with that

 

If we take Emerson as an example I think he is quite good at the defensive half of his role and only mediocre at the attacking part. That might well be a better option than someone who does the attacking part well but is inexperienced defensively which is where Conte might think Spence is.

 

So Gil…

we paid £25 mill to Seville and lamela went the opposite way.
And now Sevilla have Gil.

so Seville have Gil, Lamela and £25m of our money?

 

Think this is a brilliant signing for Bournemouth. Would have loved him at Spurs.

 

In the clusterfuck that has been our transfer business in the last few years (Jan 22 excepted) - and with the wonderful benefit of hindsight this is right up there with the worst business we have done. In the 18 months since this deal was done I have no doubt that Lamela even with his injuries would have played more games, been trusted more and probably done a better job for us than Gil has and that is not a criticism of young Bryan, who I suspect will have a very good career, just the facts as I see them.

 

Many of us said at the time that the worst part of the signing was the timing of it. In a way, Bryan was damned to struggle from the day he arrived here.

The club was at a really low ebb, in urgent need of ready to go first team players, not promising youngsters. Throwing Lamela into the deal was even dumber as it meant we lost one of the few players left at the club who actually appeared to give a toss who was also popular with the fans and one of our most experienced players.

The problem wasn't really solved until we signed Kulusevski in January and got a player who got immediately slot into the first team.

 

Monchi‘s bent us over the table, easy to see why he’s regarded as one of the best DoFs on the planet.

Although I do feel for Gil, massive talent who right now has the worst manager for developing it. Just as he started playing more and impressing, he gets instantly dropped the moment Richarlison comes back from injury and Danjuma’s arrival.

And now with talk that the deal for Porro involves us relinquishing 15% of Edwards’ sell on clause along with the €45m, it’s like we’ve been gangbanged across Europe these last 18 months, especially when you consider we gave Barcelona £25m for a donkey and Everton £60m for a guy nicknamed the pigeon who’s been just as useful as one so far.

 

You're right but perhaps this is also symptomatic of what happens (or at least what is meant to happen) when a club enters the top 10 wealthiest in the world and stays there for a prolonged period.

Clubs at that level pay well above the odds the whole time as smaller clubs know that they are a) usually desperate, as the risk of failure carries so much more weight and b) stupidly loaded with cash. It creates the perfect storm for rip offs and overhyped sensationalism.

It isn't just teams like Chelsea, either. Barca do it the whole time. Look at the money United spent on Antony, City on Grealish, Liverpool on Nunez, Atletico on Felix, Arsenal have also done it once or twice in recent years and the fact they're willing to part with £70m for Caceido after 30 PL appearances shows they are more than happy to take that gamble again.

Up at the top table, bargains are extremely difficult to find, which is why the likes of Chelsea and City try to grab and hoard youngsters by offering them their first senior contract, then loan them out for the next 6 years in the hope someone comes good.

Long gone are the days when we could pick up a Berbatov for £12m, a Dawson for £5m, a Carrick for £3m, a Walker for £3m, a Dele for £5m etc. We just aren't in that timezone anymore and tbh the sooner the club executive accepts this as fact, the sooner we will crack the ongoing transfer impasses we continue to encounter, simply because we still expect the world to look at us a little old Totnum from a dilapidated 35,000 seater stadium. Not anymore. The world looks at us, our CL money and our shiny stadium and it sees exactly what it sees when Chelsea, Liverpool, Barca or United pick up the phone.

These teams routinely waste circa £50-80m on duds every single season. We'd best get used to the same thing happening here.

 

It's not the last 18 months that's the problem. For far longer, we've been buying players who don't fit the coaches' wants and employing coaches who don't fit the squad we have.

Add in that we have no record of successfully developing young foreign talent and little success in developing home grown youngsters and we're struggling from the off. We're acting like we appointed Potter instead of Mourinho, Nuno and Conte....

It's ****ing nuts.

 

Gil I have little issue paying over the odds for because whilst in hindsight people talk about Lamela being more likely to play than Gil in the current period, Lamela was rarely ever available when we needed him and as much as the guy was infectious with his attitude, it was undone by his lack of appearances coupled with inconsistency.

Even Ndombele and Lo Celso, hindsight now shows us we got it horrendously wrong but there was somewhat sound logic in signing these players as there was the promise and hope of them becoming superstars. They’re not poor players, they were just poorly suited to English football coupled with awful mentalities and undesirable fitness levels.

Richarlison though? He was a bang average player in a relegation calibre side. There was absolutely no logic for us to spend what we did on him when there were equal and even better players who could’ve been signed for less. About 80% of our fanbase knew this would end up being a signing we’d regret and somehow still went through with it. I feel like the only fans that liked and wanted Richarlison were the ones who liked his perceived ****housery more so than his actual footballing ability.

The fact Everton have been able to finesse £60m from us and £45m from Toon for two of their players is one of the maddest things I’ve seen in football and there’ll be people in the summer likely looking to spend £30m+ on Pickford too.

We may be suffering from being a wealthy-ish club but football is just going ****ing mad.

 

Dan KP says Sarr and Skipp likely won’t head out on loan as Conte rates them.

****ING PLAY THEM THEN YOU UTTER WEAPON!

 

Yup, there’s no direction at the club.

But I would say Conte has exacerbated a large number of issues too when he’s being paid a fortune to reduce them.

I’m half expecting Emerson to keep his spot once Porro signs, it’s the sort of **** Conte’s more than capable of based off his decisions this season.

 

Doherty to Atleti on loan is doing the rounds.

 

Gil wouldn't be asking to rejoin Sevilla on loan if Conte acknowledged that he exists

Hence why it's Conte who has done that pants pulling

Which, you know, everybody but you figured out...

 

From Sky

1m ago21:19
Doherty out, Porro in at Spurs
Sky Sports News' Michael Bridge:

"I can confirm that Matt Doherty is joining Atletico Madrid on loan - this is a straight loan until the end of the season I understand, no option or obligation. Matt Doherty is heading to La Liga and Atletico Madrid.

"One right-back out, one right-back coming in - Pedro Porro. the update on this, I can confirm that it's going to be an initial loan with an obligation to buy, He'll be a Spurs player from July 1, Spurs would pay around £5m, an initial loan fee with the fee going up to £39m.

"The player is undergoing a medical today and I'm told he's very excited to join this football club."



So we all know who's left

 

Conte getting a lot of flak for not playing certain players. His job is the here and now, he’s not arsed about the future because he won’t be here for it so he’s always going to play more experienced players (experience isn’t the same as age) ahead of potential.

That’s fine but the club philosophy doesn’t fit with that which is why it’s puzzling they appointed him in the first place if they weren’t going to change. It’s been a bad fit in many respects. The next manager needs to fit in with the club approach to transfers, but with that comes lower expectations becusse most players will be for the future and will take a few years to come good (if they do at all)

 

I suspect that Conte's being paid a fortune to win things. Paratici is being paid to reduce the issues until we have to let him go....and then things will return to chaos from the current nonsense of trying to do 2 things well, when you can't do one thing in a half decent fashion.

Conte made it pretty clear that he had no interest in the signing of Spence and in order to get Porro through the door, he has ignored him. He has got Porro now. I hope that it contributes to making us successful...although our need for a new 'keeper, 2 new CB's and a creative midfielder gives me grave cause for doubt on that.

In every way, we're not one thing or another. There's no pursuit of excellence anywhere...just a lot of going round and round in circles.