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  1. moreinjuredthanowen

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    is the vote going to happen Tuesday or are they going to fudge it and if so what needs to come back to parliament to vote it through?
     
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  2. Zanjinho

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    May isn't going to get the backing she needs so I can see a general election looming.

    Whatever happens, we're ****ed for quite some time yet.
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

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    something has to give shortly.

    I simply can't see how people think they can push it and get personal advantage so what people turn on based on who shafts us I don't know.
     
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  4. Zanjinho

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    If she leaves (own accord or not) the other options aren't exactly great are they?

    Don't even want to contemplate Boris. We'd be a bigger laughing stock than America with Trump!
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

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    the votes last week suggest she has no hope of anything but a 30 to 40 vote loss.

    if the rats desert the sinking ship she might spite them and force the election rather than resign.

    thus far the 1922 committee have not triggered no confidence so that shows they are mouth and no trousers in the Brexit ranks. there no time left for all of this.... certainly not a Tory boy leadership battle for weeks.
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46481643

    european court that may wants rid of rules that she can just cancel brexit any time she feels like.

    Clearly such an issue cannot be allowed to remain on the books in the EU very long as every country could vote leave then pull plug the day before they are out.

    This ruling will probably have no bearing but gives legitimacy to certain remainers voting no tomorrow (if vote happens)

    SNP will clearly use this.



    BTW politics of fear is what brexiteers called the bank of englands projections

    Over weekend we've heard:

    Dealers:
    a) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46480374 port chaos for 6 month

    Brexiteers:
    a) Johnson: riots paris style if second referendum, not for the first time either. its a common theme of his.
    b) Patel threatens ireland with a famine (apparently) in case of no deal https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46488479
    c) DUP paisley says may will be hung tuesday https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46474783


    I'm sure may more have stoked it up too.
     
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  7. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    Britain has been plunged into chaos after Theresa May PULLED a showdown vote on her Brexit deal.

    The pound plummeted to its lowest level in more than a year as it emerged tomorrow night's vote in the House of Commons is being postponed.

    Theresa May today admitted she had "deferred" the vote because the deal would have been defeated by a landslide.

    "There remains widespread and deep concern" about the Northern Ireland backstop, she confessed.

    She told MPs: "If we went ahead and held the vote tomorrow the deal would be rejected by a significant margin.
     
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  8. jenners04

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    Is that ****ing allowed and why?

    What relevance is it if you know you will lose, and how are you allowed to deffer.

    If thats the case you could keep defering until you hear what you want to ie likely win.

    Very ****ing undemocratic!!
     
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  9. jaffaklopp

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    Don't get why she can't just put the vote to the public to decide which deal is best
     
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  10. RogerisontheHunt

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    With 3 options IMO
    1.Take the **** deal
    2. Be a Xenophobic twat and leave with No Deal
    3. Remain cause its the most sensible option and always was.
     
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    The monster is there BORIS JOHNSON<laugh>.
     
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  12. jaffaklopp

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    The whole its what the people have voted for crap is just bullsh!t. No one voted on the terms of any deal and those in power act like 90% of the country wanted to leave. The split in vote is far too close to decided a binding decision that will effect us for decades
     
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  13. moreinjuredthanowen

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    she is stringing this out now.

    we've now seen that she can't survive the vote and she's run out of road now.

    it's now up to the snipers in the grass to vote no confidence and take her out and force election.
     
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  14. Garlic Klopp

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    The possibility of an election, with Boris against Corbyn is probably what will eventually swing the vote in her favour for a slightly re-worded deal.
     
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  15. moreinjuredthanowen

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    The margin was supposedly big enough that there's enough to trigger no confidence but guess what....

    If 100 Tories are willing to vote no to deal then how can they have confidence in person responsible.

    Surely they have to **** or get off pot.
     
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  16. Garlic Klopp

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    Any government in power will do/agree to anything to stay in power.
     
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  17. moreinjuredthanowen

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    True but at this point they've now gone beyond.

    She was looking stupid last week but they were openly laughing at her today.

    They can't waste time now.

    If you wrote down the series of events from start election to today in a story nobody would believe it.

    From her losing majority to resignations left and right etc etc.

    At what point is to late... far too late.. the Johnson's have stood back and sniped but have never offered themselves to take it in. They crow about nonsense options that have no basis from sideline but have done nothing and now we are at the point where there's no time left and no deal.

    Surely now at the 11th hour something has to give.

    Is it not Labour's time to call for no confidence?

    Is it not time for Tories to change leader?

    Is there any clarification eu can offer may that is not a material change to deal?
     
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  18. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Cos generally the public don’t know enough about all this to really make an informed decision. That’s why we have ‘experts’
     
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  19. jaffaklopp

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    Then they shouldn't have been allowed to vote in the first place
     
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  20. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Totally agree and that’s why I didn’t vote.

    I have no interest in politics, doesn’t interest me one bit and I know it’s inportant but over the last 10 years since I became 18 I can honestly say that I haven’t noticed any difference in my life based on what the government have and haven’t done.

    Maybe im being niave, but given all of that I felt like me voting remain or leave would just be a vote for the sake of a vote.

    I tried to pay some some sort of attention but all each side did was bad mouth the other, no one actually sat down and said what’s going to happen so anyone else like me with very little interest and knowledge of the subject would have just been voting based on god knows what.

    These are big decisions and you wouldn’t ask the public to vote on what interest rates should be etc because you have experts for that who have the knowledge. I get it’s a democracy, but putting the vote into the hands of people who know **** all about things is ridiculous
     
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