US Election

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Who will win?..

  1. Biden

    18.3%
  2. Bobby D

    45.0%
  3. Tobes

    1.7%
  4. China, China, China

    6.7%
  5. Trump

    8.3%
  6. Russia

    6.7%
  7. Dominic Cummings

    3.3%
  8. Other

    10.0%
  1. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    I think it'll be manslaughter, rather than murder, as it'll be very hard to prove intent. That said, with the current social divide in the US don't be surprised if some of the jury decide to let him off.
     
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  2. brb

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    I'm hoping that because they have evidence of him refusing to put him into the recovery position, that they regard it as murder. I've not seen a single witness or medical profession yet, suggest anything in Chauvin's favour, but they will probably start that process today.
     
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  3. brb

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    Ok, interesting bit by the defence today, referring to the above that I had noted earlier. The defence recalled a previous prosecution witness, a female cop who knows about the officer training in regards to arrests of people suffering from delirium.

    One of the cops that was holding George's legs had asked Chauvin if they should roll GF on to his side, Chauvin the leading officer replied 'no.' What's come to light is that Chauvin never received delirium training, as it is only trained out to cadets - if you remember the two cops on Floyd were new to the team.

    So the defence is arguing, the cadet knew more than the leading officer, because he had been trained to notice the circumstances. IMHO it don't wash, commonsense from a leading officer, would have suggested George was in serious trouble with his breathing.

    The arguing case of the defence will be, that if George was suffering from delirium, he would be stronger, more physical, so the defence will probably argue, that Chauvins concern would of been losing control of the arrest. While the cadet would have better known the procedure in these situations.

    Still no an excuse in my view, ignorance of the law or in this case training, excuses no one. However, I do think this will be a good defence for one of the officers sitting on George when it comes to their trial.
     
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  4. Diego

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    Not followed the trial other than what's been posted on here but this keeps picking at me.
    Has anyone explained why he felt claustrophobic when asked to get in a cop car but seemed ok in the car he was in previous to his arrest?
     
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  5. brb

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    The girl in the car with George and Morris gave evidence today, she said George was a sleep in the car, she had to wake him up. I think she said she tried to wake him up twice. He only turned and looked at the cop, when she told him he was knocking on the glass. He had taken a substance (pill).

    This witness was called by the defence, but actually benefited the prosecution.

    If you've seen the video evidence from the shop, you would have noticed George was bouncing, and the cashier had given evidence he was high.

    Even the defence has tried to claim he was suffering delirium. Maybe this could answer why he wouldn't get in the police car, state of confusion, along with a great distrust of the police.
     
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  6. brb

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    Defence witness - use of force expert, claims the cops were totally justified in their restraints, done what they are trained to do. Also felt the onlookers were a threat. I can't wait until the prosecution gets hold of this dickhead.

    Felt officer Chauvin followed training, current practices and were jusitifiably reasonable. ffs <doh>
     
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    Reaction from a trial attorney for the TV channel....My goodness! Where did they get this guy from! <laugh>
     
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  8. Treble

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    <laugh>

    I haven't seen it but it did make me think. This is the problem for the defence. Where are they going to get credible experts to refute the evidence?

    This isn't a bog standard case. It's not even an O.J. Simpson level of case. It's on another level entirely - sunk in nationwide civil unrest, riots and protests. Who the hell in their right mind is going to put themselves forward into that maelstrom of ****e.
     
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    Prosecution slowly picking this witness to bits. He's the first 'credible' witness to support Chauvin. No wonder they've got a problem with American cops if this is the sort of person training them. The whole thing is clearly a training issue - I know the risks out there are way greater than the UK, but jeez no wonder there is so many people getting shot. It appears any attempt to resist arrest, can see any level of force used until the person complies. It seems to me that once you pull on a uniform it's a licence to kill.
     
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    Yeh and I bet the choices the coppers make in the level of force used is affected by social class and race. I doubt they're shooting many rich folk in Beverley Hills tbh
     
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    Obviously I wouldn't dare suggest that the only thing this witness is missing is his kkk hoodie, no sireee.

    please log in to view this image
     
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    A bargain bucket perhaps.
     
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    Good point <laugh>
     
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  14. brb

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    Witness.....I agree, he's not resisting in that picture.

    Prosecution....that's because he's not breathing!
     
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  15. Tobes

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    Yep there’s defo no systemic racism in the US Police service, no siree.
     
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    As a witness you aint getting back any little credibility you had before, after that <laugh>
     
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    This witness has just turned it into a circus, I can't even waste time now listening to anything he has to say. It's obvious he belongs to the dinosaur era and is long past his sell by date.
     
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  18. Tobes

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    They don’t have to prove intent.
     
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  19. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2020

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    brb loving this case.

    no idea how it's gonna go.
     
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    Even having watched it, I've absolutely no idea how it will go.

    You will never see so many witnesses and medical experts as this trial, all in favour of the prosecution.

    Only one person has been completely on the side of the defence.
     
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