Who is more credible?

Correct

[video=youtube;aEQcsuXnnnc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEQcsuXnnnc[/video]

 

I agree with a lot of what naik says, I have been through that. There are elements I dont, and I dont have a problem with being associated with him, thats a ludicrous claim. And you used shamoun on the debate where we discussed naik.

 

I'll deal with the rest of what you've said tomorrow Fan, but you debated Sam Shamoun with JJS, not me.
That's probably why you think I quote from Answering Islam, too.

http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/102849-Heroes-and-Villains?p=1741716&viewfull=1#post1741716

 

see what exactly? There is as it stands no evidence of 850k people having died at treblinka, despite there now being 3 studies. Judge, krege and colls

 

No I have been through with that with you too.

I see you managed to scrape by tonight (footywise)

FYI had a death in family hence the late night replies

also bought another house so its been all go

TBH struggling to keep coming back, so if i miss the odd day, dont worry will be back at some point

 

Sorry to hear about your family member passing.
My condolences on your loss.

Spurs were **** tonight and you haven't discussed Sam Shamoun with me.
This is a link to a search of the forum for those two words:
http://www.not606.com/search.php?searchid=947339

 

You said 'how you can tell that on a faceless forum I don't know'. That means 2 things:
1) You think the forum is faceless
2) This facelessness means it's impossible to read tone.
There's nothing else to read into it Fan.

so you know I was getting angry/mad etc how?


You got worse Fan. You're usually coherent, even if your delivery is shoddy. At times, when you get riled, you sound deranged.
and you go off topic and start the blame game when you have nothing to say

You've been ridiculed on here for the last 6 months Fan. If I was going to just follow the crowd, I'd have done so a long time ago. I've simply lost patience with your bull****.
You are kidding right? I have been worse than this in the past, you would never have gotten as involved before you became mod. You just trying to fit in
and as I said the likes of ST and toby dont bother me in the slightest neither do the likes of nufc and SN23 is just having a laugh. You want to impress the first few is really sad
The good posters and me get on sound, they actually dont come onto certain threads of mine, you could do the same. but here you are

No it doesn't. The clue is in the name. Babies are not capable of telling tales or making stuff up. They are babies
and they whinge and cry and go off an atangent

How is saying that Islam is the most practiced religion worldwide Islamophobic or nationalistic? You told me that little fact Fan. Are you Islamophobic or nationalistic?
another fail in the english department, oh dear.


You're in the minority on here, yes. But not elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

I refer to here, yet you failed to see the contradiction, never mind eh

 

trying to find it myself, not good at that though. But we have discussed it trust me. It was during the whole zakir naik and then on another thread someone posted AI ans used shamouns argument, you came into the discussion

 

There's a search and an advanced search at the top of the page.
Sam Shamoun returns two threads. This one and the one where you discuss him with JJS. I haven't contributed to that thread.

 

I voted fan cos my courser was close to his name, aside from that he seems a prat

 

Fun Fact: Aidan McAnespie died on my birthday

 

Here's a link to a site that contains some of the information.
It also links to a download of a holocaust denier's book, where the translation is contained.
You can't claim any sort of 'sympathiser's' bias there, can you?

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/07/polish-investigations-of-treblinka.html

No. You're the one making the claim, so prove that it's true.
You're constantly asking me to prove both sides of the argument.

No, you haven't! You've done nothing of the sort!
That site doesn't have an offer for $250k and the smaller one that it does have is totally unclaimable, due to the small print.

I don't know. Does it? If you believe it does, then show me some evidence to back that claim.
Stop asking me to work both sides of the argument. You want me to back my own claims with evidence and to research yours, too.
You don't want to provide links to your 'evidence' because it's all on neo-Nazi sites.

I'm labelling him as a denier because his work was funded by deniers, he makes baseless claims that contradict the original investigation and he's released no data at all.
His paper was produced in German and French, but it's nothing but claims. He doesn't back those claims with any results.

It would deserve an answer if the work was reliable. As the source is dubious and it's not backed by any available data, it should be dismissed.
Why hasn't he released his work, as he's claimed that he intended to?

When?

No, I use it to point you in the direction of a relatively neutral source of information.
It doesn't work though, as you prefer to stay ignorant.

You won't say how much of the holocaust you deny, which is standard for modern holocaust deniers.
You use it to further your own anti-Semitic agenda. It's sad, really.
You ignore all of the evidence available that doesn't suit your dubious views, then claim that it doesn't exist.

When did I take exception to you sympathising with the killing of Palestinians?
Another ridiculous and baseless claim.

The man's clueless.
He's another terrorist sympathiser though, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you find his message appealing.

 

Another house? Wow. How many is that you've got now? Three is it?

You must tell us the secret of how an unemployed, middle-aged layabout can afford to own three homes.

 

Already asked and answered.

You haven't made you position clear.
Were you a member of Al-Muhajiroun?

You're right, actually. Choudary clearly doesn't have any regard for this covenant, does he?
I watched that part of the interview again, just to make sure and I noticed that there's a significant gap between the question and answer.
This would negate Andy's explanation to you, wouldn't it?
He's not being talked over, there's ample time to hear the question clearly and answer it.
He lied to you.

His admission doesn't apply to any of that.
Where and when did he commit these acts and with who?
He can't be charged without more evidence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ed-by-police-over-mujahideen-fundraising.html

When did I claim either of those things?

You made the claim that Coll's thesis has been treated differently to every other thesis.
Prove it.

The fact that you seem to think that there are two sides to this, deniers and sympathisers, says everything.
Prove that she hasn't published her report. Stop claiming it, otherwise.
Nothing supports Krege's claims.

Why would he know how to operate a GPR device? What role does that have in the aeronautics industry, exactly?
Does he spend a lot of time dealing with underground planes?

I haven't made any such claim.
Krege's work was funded by an anti-Semitic holocaust denier's organisation and he's one himself. You can hear him speak about it on Youtube, if you like.
That's not in doubt.
Your claim that someone who feels sympathy for victims of murder is somehow equally biased is baseless, though.
There's nothing to suggest that Colls is a 'holocaust sympathiser', whatever that is.

If a cigarette company funds a study into the harmful effects of cigarettes and finds that they're not harmful, then you question the study, especially if the results are never released.

I cited it because it's at least equal to the Krege 'study', which you seem to believe has some validity.
The 1945 study found nothing? Ok, then...

So you accept all claims until they're proven wrong then, do you? Ridiculous.

The answer in the judge's report doesn't agree with what you're claiming.
Krege's preliminary paper didn't indicate any disturbances.
Where did you get that information from?

Rubbish.

 

Perhaps he's emulating his mate Choudary's trick of doing virtually nothing and claiming lots of benefits?

 

PNP, where the **** do get the energy from to continue with this?

 

3 of them are in their element by looks of things PNP, Jap and TFWNN they've been at it for ****ing ages.