WTF happened to Pochettino?

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  1. Spurlock

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    Still don’t let it deter you from the fact that we don’t act like the 8th richest club in the World.

    And it’s nothing to do with spending lots and lots as keeps on being the stick used to beat the ENIC detractors with. It would be a fine start if a levy wouldn’t penny pinch here and there whilst costing us on the pitch

    example 80 million man Grealish. Absolutely everything we needed but Levy’s pride messed that one up...footballing man, Spurs through and through my arse.
     
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  2. Spurf

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    Yes we do.

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    Do you notice that 5 of the clubs above us are in the PL making us the 6th club AND YET we do better than that. The facts do not agree with you complaint Spurlock Picking out this or that player that we may or may not have got dependent on doubtful information or just plain bollocks is NOT an argument. That's why you always get people like me insisting that your argument is bullshit.
     
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  3. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard it's SPURS

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    Is it Levy's fault we've bottled it in four of the five finals he's been Chairman though? If we'd have won four League Cups and a Champions League in 20 years many would consider that a great success for a club like us, especially when adding in a large number of top six finishes.

    The players and managers are the ones to blame on that front. If you're good enough to make a final you're good enough to win it.

    I'm 100% on board with slagging him off for the prices he charges Spurs fans but criticising him for lack of silverware is something I really don't understand. As for investment, I think he's shown this season that with all the infrastructure and resources in place, he can now spend the desired amounts. What he obviously needs to do is ensure this continues, we couldn't really spend £40m-£50m on multiple players roughly 4-5 years ago, the continued CL participation and strong league finishes plus the new stadium has now put us in a position to begin spending like a big team and I fully expect us to act like it. If in the next 2-3 transfer windows we go back to penny pinching and looking for more Nkoudou's rather than Lo Celso's, I'll be fully on board with any criticism about him on that front.
     
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  4. Billy The Yid

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    Manchester United have always backed their manager in the transfer market and given him the tools to win silverware, they make a lot of money and spend a lot of money. Spurs don`t.
     
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  5. Billy The Yid

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    We were cheated out of the CL final by a bent referee, which changed the entire game, I would hardly call that bottling it. We lost league cup finals on the lottery of penalties and also by a far better team, again hardly `bottling it`, maybe if Levy had given us a stronger squad we would have got over the line in one of those. You say `a club like us` that is the small time attitude that partly holds us back, we used to be one of the biggest clubs around and still have one of the largest fan bases. Time will tell whether Levy has any ambition to make us trophy winners or just a CL team.
     
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  6. humanbeingincroydon

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    Except for the times where they didn't, most obviously how they needed to rebuild eight years ago with Giggs and Scholes retiring, Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra getting on in years, and van Persie a constant injury risk - yet in some cases they haven't replaced those players even by now

    And they certainly haven't backed their managers: Moyes wasn't allowed to sign Baines and was treated like a fall guy from the outset, and Steptonho was publicly bemoaning his lack of support when he was there
     
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  7. The RDBD

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    No on-pitch legacy.
    A financial legacy for the club (for now - although it seems to be eroding by the season) .
     
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  8. Dier Hard

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    So conceding a penalty in the first minute means we were right to play the following 89 like a bunch of Sunday League amateurs? Pochettino also decided to start not one but two unfit players in Winks and Kane. The players and manager bottled that final, even if the penalty was soft, show some bollocks and go at Pool, we were limp and got what we deserved.

    You're right, two of the three LC finals we faced better teams - Utd in 2009, Chelsea in 2015 with Blackburn in 2001 or 2002 being the other. However, as I said, if you're good enough to reach a final you're good enough to win it. Birmingham showed that when they faced "a better team" in Arsenal and Wigan showed it in the FA Cup Final against Man City. We didn't lose our finals because of Levy, we lost because we simply weren't good enough when it mattered and unfortunately that's been a recurring theme for the club for far too long.

    Depends how you define one of the biggest clubs around, we've generally been smaller than Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal (as much as that hurts to admit). On a par with Chelsea for the most part and bigger than City, yet those two have eclipsed us over the last decade or so thanks to their big spending owners. It's nothing to do with attitude holding us back, it's finances - which is exactly what Levy's been trying to increase by improving the infrastructure.

    The guy's a prick with regards to how he treats us fans but I do believe a lot of what he does is in the best interests of the club for the most part. I get frustrated like most with some of this footballing decisions but ultimately this football club has experienced huge growth under him and I hope that continues by reaching its final stage of now being a side that wins things on the regular.
     
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  9. humanbeingincroydon

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    The sad thing is that we actually showed that we prepared to play them: whenever Roberton or Alexander-Arnold got forward, we made sure that both the relevant fullback and Sissoko were doubling up on them - which was great preparation, unfortunately undermined by some Slovenian ****wit who thinks that ball-to-armpit is a deliberate handball
     
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  10. PowerSpurs

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    There is no possible way to increase the business value of a football club than to win trophies. To do that you have to have better players than your competitors which means creating more revenue to be able to buy them. Only two clubs have managed consistently to break into the Liverpool/Man U/Arsenal/Chelsea quartet since ENIC took over. Us and Man City. We did it very different ways and sometimes I think it would have been more fun to have done it the City way. But the City way wouldn't have worked without cheating.
     
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  11. humanbeingincroydon

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    Yes there is

    Hoffenheim were playing in Germany's amateur leagues back in 1992, which for the sake of context was the eighth tier, yet fast forwards to 2019-20 their value is almost incomprehensibly more than it was back then as the team has been established in the Bundesliga for over a decade in a new (well, new twelve years ago...) stadium and even has a Champions League campaign under their belt. And how many trophies did they win during this momentous rise? Two: the titles of the fifth tier in 2000 and fourth tier in 2001
     
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  12. PowerSpurs

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    I misworded my post slightly. What I meant to say was that there is no way of increasing the value of a football club without getting better on the field. Whether or not that wins trophies is not so much under the owners' control. As @Dier Hard pointed out, in a slightly different world we could have won 5 trophies. The argument that by buying different players we would have done better in the finals doesn't wash with me. If we had splashed out on £40m players instead of Nkoudou and Llorente for example we might well have improved the team theoretically, but we might have lost to Man City or Ajax in any case. Also if we had that sort of budget we probably wouldn't have bought Dier or Dele.
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    Technically we could have done better if we paid less on players than we did on Nkoudou and Janssen: Timo Werner and Ousmane Dembele both moved in the same window we signed Janssen and GKN, and they moved for less than we paid for Janssen combined

    That's been an issue with our squad signings for a long time, which goes back until at least the Redknapp era when we started making a concerted effort to have a deeper squad: with the obvious exceptions of Davies and Trippier (and, briefly, Wimmer) they never felt like players who could come in for a few games and do a job which is what a squad signing should be, they always felt like filler - yet if Dembele and Werner were signed at that time they'd not only have been capable of doing a job, but they'd have been pushing for regular football a couple of years later
     
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