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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Gone For A Walk, Sep 16, 2021.

  1. SydneyTiger14

    SydneyTiger14 Well-Known Member

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    Oh I get that, sorry I was talking from the perspective of what I would think gave us the better chance to win the game, whether that's us or Grimsby or whoever. If you're taking one of those sides to 90 minutes chances are you can keep going another 30 and flip a coin on pens. I totally take the point of the 'bird in the hand' philosophy too.

    Yeah no consultation does speak volumes, I just wonder if it won't be as bad as it first appears. I suppose TWT.
     
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  2. originallambrettaman

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    They don't need a Premier League tie, Horsham getting two games against Barnsley or Cray Valley Paper Mills getting two games against Charlton is enough to keep them funded for the foreseeable. If one of them happens to get it televised, it will fund them for years.

    It's saved clubs who were in danger of going out of business, just read the Exeter City statement for a flavour of what this means for lower league clubs.
     
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  3. SydneyTiger14

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    Yeah and again I think that speaks volumes about the distribution of funding more than the structure of the competition. If those sides were getting the equivalent amount of funding for the initial leg rather than relying on going to a second leg, I think that would be for the better of everyone. Whether that ends up eventuating is another thing. I think anything that could encourage sides to actually try to win the game in the first instance rather than just hope for a draw the better.

    I'll leave it there though since I obviously have quite a different perspective as an outsider and I do totally get the argument being made on replays.
     
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  4. Kalman

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    I think the outrage is less to do with the opportunity to progress through the FA Cup but the revenue that replays brings in, especially lower-league teams. Teams can earn an extra £500k to a million from replays, which is peanuts for a Premier League club and even a lot of Championship clubs but makes a huge difference to League 2 and non-league teams.

    The FA have openly admitted they only consulted the Premier League regarding this new format. That means 72 EFL clubs and hundreds of non-league clubs in the pyramid who compete in the FA Cup every year were not consulted. It’s shameful. I hope EFL and non-league clubs boycott next year.
     
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  5. originallambrettaman

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    Even the Police are getting involved <laugh>

     
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  6. bradymk2

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    Im more in favour of super league
    I couldnt give a **** about man utd n liverpool etc
    Go n **** off
     
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  7. dennisboothstash

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    I rarely watch much football that isn’t City, but I enjoyed watching the Cray Valley v Charlton games
     
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  8. Gone For A Walk

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    I'm ok with scrapping replays in cup games. Would much rather it was all about a winner on the day.
    As you say, the more fundamental issue anyway is distribution of funds throughout the pyramid.
     
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  9. SydneyTiger14

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    Just had to pinch myself.
     
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  10. dennisboothstash

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    As usual it’s a City fan that has come up with the best solution all round IMHO.

    “There was such a simple solution to the replays issue. Let both teams say before the tie whether they want a replay. If one or both say yes, then replay. If both say no, then no replay. Stops City going to Birmingham midweek but allows Accrington a trip to Anfield if they draw”

    https://x.com/brabinsgut/status/1780938415803945242?s=46&t=DAxwWj15XaMBwCrrY9gKFQ
     
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  11. originallambrettaman

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    This is the warning that Twitter is putting up on the tweets from the FA/FA Cup accounts...

    To suggest that the revised format “strengthens the format” of the FA Cup is fundamentally untrue.

    The decision to remove FA Cup replays deprives lower league clubs of crucial revenue and has been taken without consulting EFL or non-league clubs.

    The £33m is inadequate.
     
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  12. Ernie Shackleton

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    Pack off the ultra rich cheats to the Super League at one end, then get rid of the Milk / Littlewoods / Rumbelows / Coca-Cola / Worthington / Carling / Capital One / Carabao Cup nonsense at the other.

    The 'League' Cup has always been the poor relation of the FA Cup and just isn't needed. Use the midweek space saved early in the season for League games, thus clearing full weekends in January and February for the third round of the FA Cup onwards.

    With replays midweek if needed.


    Problem solved.
     
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  13. originallambrettaman

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    Probably the best summing up I've seen - 'The 700 teams in FA Cup have to have to accept the rules being changed just to accommodate the 8 teams playing in Europe'.
     
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  14. Cityzen

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    Syd does miss the point a lot. City would not have had the Chelsea replay amongst others. There would not have been the memorable Ronnie Radford goal for Hereford against Newcastle, Ryan Giggs scoring his best ever goal and a host of other ones. All to benefit half a dozen clubs who qualify for Europe. And who are going to play more games in Europe than they do now. Playing the Cup Final before the end of the PL season is yet another example that the PL is the be all end all. Disgraceful that the FA has gone along with this with no consultation with the 72 EFL clubs.
     
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    Wish we could have won the poor relation. Sure the clubs who did and took 40,000 or more there as you get more tickets than for the FA Cup were happy to have got to the Final of it.
     
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    And why does the FA go along with it? because they are morally bankrupt, the Premier league hand them a few million crumbs which they can divvy up among the smaller leagues and clubs after taking a wedge out for themselves.

    It was said when we were in the final the winner would get 3 million, peanuts to those in the Premier league. Let them have their super league, kick them all out and start again.
     
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  17. Tickton Tiger.

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    And future generations will never experience the sheer joy and excitement that swept Hull when we drew at Chelsea in 1966 and brought them back to Boothferry Park for the replay. The city shut down at lunch time so people could get to the game, it was an incredible time to be a Hull City fan and I'd bet many a fan who saw City for the first time that night became life long supporters.
    It is a scandelous decision and should be overturned.
     
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  18. Kalman

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    The current football authorities don’t want an independent regulator and want to sort things out in-house but they’re doing everything possible to justify the need for an independent regulator lol.
     
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  19. Ernie Shackleton

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    One semi-final in 60 years in a competition that has become a run out for reserve players, it's not been our most successful competition.

    It's not as low rent as the Associate Members Cup or it's various guises admittedly.


    However I much preferred the Anglo-Italian Cup and the Watney Cup.
     
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  20. Kalman

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    Basically, this was decided by the English clubs that regularly qualify for and compete in Europe. Klopp’s incessant whinging about fixture congestion, and players at the top level of English football complaining as well, have driven this narrative and pushed for the FA Cup to be restructured.

    To put into perspective, Man City have played in the Charity Shield, Premier League, Champions League, League Cup, FA Cup, UEFA Super Cup and Club World Cup this year and they’ve still played fewer games than Bolton. Top clubs, their players, their managers, their ‘fans’ etc. complaining about fixture congestion, 12:30 kick-offs etc. can all get to ****. Go make your Super League and piss off.
     
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