Off Topic Migrant crisis

Hallelujah !

We finally agree on this issue

We are bringing in the Rwanda scheme because all else (and particularly trying to get cooperation from France) has failed, not because we think it’s the ideal or comprehensive solution.

 

Hell will freeze over before we get co-operation from France on anything, apart from looking after War graves in Normandy.

And that was just as true before Brexit

 

It will be really interesting to see what France does if this does discourage lots of illegal immigrants from leaving the French shores bound for England. All of a sudden they may have to try to deal with the situation rather than just encouraging the illegal immigrants to cross the channel.

 

Five people killed as a grossly over-crowded boat is pushed away from the French coast during a mob riot on the beach.
A seven year old girl one of those who lost her life.

This is not only tragic, it is totally disgusting.

If that happened anywhere in this Country - a young child and four other people killed during a crowd riot with men attacking Police officers with makeshift clubs, everyone present would have been arrested and charged with responsibility for those deaths.

I don't care how desperate some of these people might be. France may not be a welcoming place to them, but their lives are not in danger there. It is a safe country. Simply a desire to reach the shores of the UK does not explain why a crowd of 112 mostly men behaves in such a barbaric fashion that children are crushed to death.
And then, when rescuers arrive and remove the broken corpses, over half of the remaining occupants of the boat refuse to leave it and are simply allowed to continue to drift across the Channel in their blood-spattered raft. To eventually be picked up by a lifeboat and brought to Dover.

As far as I'm concerned, morally if not strictly legally, every person who arrived in the UK on that boat is an accessory to murder.
And of course the people-smugglers who encouraged them to cram onto that floating death trap are too. But of course none of them were detained I expect. They all just melted away into the night and this evening they'll repeat the whole thing over again.

For pity's sake this has to f**king stop.

All of those brought in yesterday should be arrested and charged with that little girl's death and those of the other four victims, or be deported immediately back to France where their offence took place, so the French Courts can try them. And the people smugglers on that beach should be hunted down (somebody over there should have a clue who they are) convicted of child murder and then face the Guillotine.

No more hand-wringing and excuses.
Never mind pussyfooting around with Rwanda, It's time for the gloves to come off.
Sunak, send the Royal Navy in now to smash this despicable chain of human trafficking. Build patrol ships if we don't have enough. We have shipyards, we could do with the jobs.
Secure the English Channel.
And send in the SAS to take out these people-smuggling bastards, smash their organisations. Send the message that anyone involved in this vile trade won't get a slap on the wrist, they'll get a bullet. See how keen they are to carry on then.
And get Interpol and all international finance authorities to destroy their money laundering operations. Choke off their funding. Put these scum out of business.

We're sick to death of this slaughter. It's time the Guilty paid with their wretched mis-spent lives. Not innocent children paying with theirs.

 

I find it very concerning that these type of people are now walking our streets , murderers , rapist and god knows what ! It needs to be stopped

 

I don't think it's so much the French encouraging them as they are afraid of the criminal gangs who are increasingly violent and well organised. Maybe it needs the army.

 

Welcome to the ‘Hard Right’ Lardi

So Rwanda isn’t tough enough now ?

We can’t even bring that in due to all the bleeding hearts, lefty judges, ECHR, and do-gooder ‘charity workers’.

There is no chance of any of your other suggestions making it, while we have a Tory/Labour/Lib Dem government.

Out of those, the Tories (the nasty party according to some) are most likely to get tougher on this, but they’ve had 14 years and utterly failed to deal with it.

We need REAL political change, but we won’t get it because the British public are too stupid to understand.

 

Ooh, I'm feeling a 'hard right' rush.

Rwanda just won't work as a deterrent.
In that respect it is too soft.
But I don't think anything will deter.
We have to stop it, not deter it.

 

We could stop it with France’s cooperation. On our own it’s more difficult. That would result in many more deaths at sea for a short while, until the message got home. I’m quite happy with that, but how many others would be ?

 

Can you imagine the left wing fury when the first illegal immigrant drowned after having his boat towed back into French waters.

 

They interviewed some waiting to hop on a dinghy on GMTV this morning and they said the threat of being sent to Rwanda will not deter them - the French aren’t bothered , they’d rather the dross be somebody else’s (us!) problem

 

Rwanda will deter some. It’s easy for a would-be illegal immigrant to say that it won’t, but for some it will.

But it won’t solve the problem on its own.

The only way to do that is with force - on French soil, in the channel and on British soil.

It’s a war. And as with any war, lives will need to be lost.

 

France and other European countries also have their own immigration problems. Our problem is nowhere near the worst. Mass migrations north are a reality and will continue to be, not just people but also other species as well as types of flora. Sorry to repeat myself

 

We should have a big advantage over other European countries as we are an Island. But we’re not using the channel as the barrier it should be.

 

The people-traffickers mustbe making an absolute fortune from their criminal activity. If we're not up to stopping them howabout stopping the supply of boats before they get their hands on them?

 

Not so sure being an Island is an advantage- it’s clearly not stopping the cockroaches- a land border might be easier to police

 

It should be. But I agree at the moment it isn’t.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68890850

Doesn’t look like the French Police were trying too hard to stop them. Not the fault of the officers at the scene I suppose but it looked like they were quite relieved once the boat had left the shore. And why wasn’t it towed back in by the French Navy or Coast Guard who were clearly just sitting there watching from a few hundred yards away. And why aren’t the UK government calling on the French to do more and pull the boats back when they are still so close to the French shoreline. It’s f*cking ridiculous. We shouldn’t be paying them a penny.

 

And as usual it looks like about 95% young men - but it’s the women and child who get thrown overboard when it goes wrong. Absolute utter scum. Never mind Rwanda, they should all be taken to some remote uninhabitable Scottish island and dumped there.

Hirta looks ideal to me

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirta

 

Have a listen to the Mingulay Boat Song. We may even visit it when we have 2 weeks in Tobermory in September.