Success measured by trophys

Didnt we do this the other day?

 

tbf you can apply that logic to the league cup
It used to be a big deal just bit the bullet before the fa cup

 

That's the reality now and I don't doubt it. But the thread is about trophy counts so I was just referring to the status of the FA Cups that have been won. I don't want those to be belittled because of circumstances as they stand today which is why I want them to be continued to be valued.

Is a Premier League title worth more in status than a Division 1 league title when we're doing a count because the money and Skysports make it out to be so? 18 titles is still 18 titles, nobody's discounting their value and nor should they.

 

Thankfully You're not a United fan that doesn't bleat the utter bollocks that we get on a regular basis that Liverpool never won the 'Premier League'. Top flight is flight. That is regardless what the top flight is called. A top flight title is a top flight title. Yes they are valued the same except by the Sky Sports generation. Is Man United's 1968 European Cup valued the same as the 1999 and 2008 one? Of course it is.

 

Yeh but we're led to believe it for the same reason as we are that surviving in the prem is more important than winning the FA Cup. The glitz and the money. Doesn't change the fact that winning an FA Cup in 80's is worth just as much now as it always was at the time it was won. Just like the League title of the same era is, regardless of the glitz and money of the PL now.

Many Livpl fans used to slate our CL trophy before 2005

 

Trophies are like bottles of wine. Some years are just better than others.

 

FA cup was definitely bigger in the 80's than it is now... 90’s still pretty big... By the time you get to 21st century it is no longer quite so big a deal.

Didn't even United not compete in FA Cup one year... Because of all things wanting to focus on World Club Cup of all things and there was going to be some scheduling conflict? I think it was 2000 if memory serves correct.... Which shows that as early as 2000 the FA Cup was not really being universally respected.

 

The thread is actually about who is most successful club of past 10 years.


Still Chelsea, city have that much to do despite all their fake money... oh and Utd are tumbling down the list to 3rd.. former glories and that.... but of course Liverpool are not as successful as Wigan cos finals don't count

See... little dig to everyone.

 

It was done then.

Managers openly playing b teams
Openly stating they would in pressers.
Selling it off to non mass media.
Putting final on later than last trains home.
Putting prem games on the Sunday after
Semis in Wembley
Putting final on not even on final weekend.
Allowing teams use Wembley as their home ground.
Excellentnpointnon fa cup draw on one show
The final itself is incredibly expensive to go to.


And on.. and on.

At this point the competition is irreparably damaged. It'll never come back does old farts might consider it special but under 30s I don't think they do.

Oh and the prize of Europa league.... and a small payday that 1 league place higher dwarves???

 

Yes, but others are still getting it wrong

 

If only someone had the ability to just go back and change them all lmao

 

They wouldn't learn that way

 

TAA, Robertson?

 

with respect but when people who barely kick a ball can be called legend buy the press and the exp player teams theres no such thing as a legend.

But then again there are legendary cahracters that stories are told about for years and years. gerrard and carraghr have that status. Risse might actually have that. Hyppia does. but finnan or jonhson or hamann or others don't.

Legends for me: Clemence, Lawneance, Smith, lawlor, byrne, st john, hunt, callagan, liddel, yeats, hughes, fairclough, heighway, toshack, keekan, dalglish. kennedy, souncess etc etc. Barnes for me. Rush

the likes of torres and suarez were worshipped but imo are not legendary. I think robertson and taa will be legendary characters in future. VVD has all the hall makrsbut has to stay to get it. Would henderson? I don't know.

Like jan molby. is he is legend? he was so good for 2/3 years. so good. Or is he more remembered for his belly? Ronnie whelan, Redknapp... mcmanaman??

 

Molby is a legend and also the pie man.

When you see players like jenas and savage refer to as legends its an insult to the name and like many other things now days been de valued and worthless.

I mean you can be called a celebrity nowdays just for being on reality ****e ffs

 

I'd have agreed personally. in 1986 he was absolutely outstanding.

You are right. people call any ex-player these days a legend to get click bait.

Liverpool legend speaks out on blah blah... you find Danny Murphy wrote another **** article on the bbc.

 

Ronnie Whelan and Jan Molby deserve legendary status. Suarez and Torres less so because they don't have the longetivity. Macca and Jamie Redknob certainly don't but God does. Jan Molby was brilliant for more than 2-3 years for a start. Redknob is as much a Liverpool legend as Michael Owen, John Wark, Paul Walsh and Nigel Spackman.

 

If all 11 are a legend... are none of them legend though?

Whelen maybe so.. he had many fine days.
I would have to say on molby that I'm saying 2 or 3 years of way up there out of this world standard seasons. He had a lot longer with us but he did have issues then

like in the end what you do bestows the title legend no? Whelan won the league cup with 2 goals and then helped win the title for us when he got into the team. Bob paisley was very very complimentary of whelan for big game performances. In fact he won the league cup for us agaisnt utd as well didn't he?


Molby was a major major part of the double winning side so that bestows its own status.


I SUPPOSE one could say traore and smicer are part of a legendary night and folklore.

Me I perfer my legends to have longevity and be outstanding. s maybe you are right on whelan.

 

There are legends and cult heroes. Jerry Dudek, John Arne Riise, Vladimir Smicer, Did I Hamann are cult heroes...not legends. You could also add Djimi Traore, Igor Bican and Mad Erik Meijer to that list.

Jan Molby and Ronnie Whelan however are as much legends as Souness, Sir Kenny, Jocky, Terry Mac, Barney, Thommo, Crazy Horse, The Anfield Iron, the Colossus, Sir Roger, Saint, King Kev and Chopsy.

Craig 'Skippy' Johnston, Ray Houghton, or Beardo wouldn't be legends but Brucie, Clem Zico, and Lawro and Digger would be. Funnily enough I would include Aldo as I've met him and he's a top bloke. Then again so is Dizzy Gillespie.

 

no phil neal? you've another fabulous right back there from more my time.