Off Topic Coronavirus and NOTHING to do with football thread

My sister’s sister-in-law and husband work in a hospital caring directly for patients with COVID-19. Apparently a lot of work is involved in turning the patients as their lungs drain better if they are lying on their stomachs. But this is heavy, close work; the appropriate PPE is not in place and all I can think about is that viral load thing you posted, yorkie. They must be in terrible danger. Both on the front line, it must be worrying as hell for their kids.

 

How close to home are we getting now?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rced-to-consider-who-should-be-refused-oxygen

 

Boris Johnson taken to hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52177...A0CE96E8478F&at_campaign=64&at_medium=custom7


Whatever you think of him you have to wish him well.

 

I wish everyone well who is suffering from it. I do think he was rather stupid with some of his early statements and carried on as if he was impervious to such things. Maybe his rather cavalier attitude to it has left the country badly served as they have been running to catch up with other countries.

 

Scotland's chief medical officer, Dr Catherine Calderwood, has resigned after it emerged she had failed to adhere to her own social distancing guidelines by visiting her second home.

I can well imagine that many of the officials dealing with this outbreak must be under extreme pressure, but in this case she really should have known better. One visit and she might just have got away with it, but twice, followed by a police warning and she had little option but to resign.

 

I spoke on zoom yesterday with my neice survived an encounter with cancer six years ago, major op, chemo etc. She is married and her little boy has autism.
She is a speech and language therapist working with stroke patients in a Devon hospital.
They do not have the correct PPE, they are nevertheless emotionally blackmailed to go on the wards to treat very needy patients, some wards are now covid-19 wards and she has to shower after each visit to one of these wards. She showers three or more times on each shift.. Sounds very grim.

 

Again the viral load troubles me hugely.

 

I didn't realise it was twice - now that is silly and naive

Like you say once is a mistake - twice well you wonder if she was trying to get away with it..

 

As read by an avid reader of the Daily Mail:

“Twice? To her second home? I may be old-fashioned but when I was at school I learned 2x2=4. So that’s four times she went to her second home. And if I’m not mistaken, 2x4=8. Eight times! Eight visits! To her second home! Disgraceful. I think I’m correct in saying that 8x2=16? Sixteen? Flay her then burn her in oil!!
This would have been completely avoidable had she only visited her first home once.”

 

Yes.. The price you pay for hypocrisy....

 

The point is whether she came into contact with anyone whilst doing this. Social distancing means exactly that - it does not mean that I am imobilized within 4 walls. The point is to avoid groups of more than 2 people coming together - you keep a distance from others, if possible wear a mask. There is absolutely no risk involved in going for a walk in the open air, and if you meet a friend then communicate from a safe distance. If she was able to visit her second home whilst observing these rules then it is nobodies business but her own. I have heard some ridiculous cases coming out of countries such as the UK and France - the first where 2 people having a barbecue on a beach, miles away from others, were cautioned by the police for doing so and the second where people are only allowed out for emergencies or exercise once per day. I can go out and exercise 100 times per day but as long as I do it alone, or with my wife, it is nothing to do with anyone else. In Germany most shops are closed, all restaurants, pubs, public buildings and schools - in other words all those places where people would normally gather inside. Public transport is reduced. Restrictions on street life are simply to rule out groups of more than 2 people gathering in one place - but this is a long way from the sort of house arrest being practiced in some other countries. The solution is early testing, and lots of it, including those with no symptoms.

 

Thanks for the fluffy idea that all JRM 's firm is doing is helping pension funds. Unfortunately it's tripe. The opportunity to make vast profits only comes at someone else' expense, when no weatlth is being created. That someone else is... pension funds, and other savers, e.g those trusting investment firms to provide an income. Firms like Somerset CM do not improve the sum of human capital by one penny - they merely try to make money for some people at other people's expense - and cream off a margin in the process. Parasitical wouldn't be an unreasonable defiintion. As a definition of uselessness, it could probably only be bettered by haute couture .
It is precisely this sort of pointless activity that enables people like JRM to develop such an unrealistic view of the world. It seems he is not alone.

 

I agree with you ...... However i think that because sadly for the majority a whole stratum of society would cheat etc..... .they have to have blanket rules.
e.g golf where players can keep well apart etc etc
We are now entreing the eye of the storm in the UK.... so people can be lulled....

 

I agree about blanket rules Yorkie - the same is the case with protecting non smokers from smokers. Because people cannot regulate affairs between themselves the law has to step in. However, there is a problem here - research currently being done here suggests that the vast majority of infections took place within 4 walls. If that is the case then stopping people from going outside may be counter productive. A group of 100 people in a room is an accident waiting to happen - the same group outside, observing some distancing between them, may be a completely different thing. Interesting to see that 2 demonstrations are going ahead in Germany today (both against the dumping of nuclear waste) - the numbers are restricted and distances between marchers should be maintained, and masks should be worn - but they are still authorized to go ahead.

 

Fair enough too - to put it mildy, it was an idiotic thing for her to do even once.

I'd be interested in knowing if any action was taken against the Sun's 'journalist', who travelled twice the distance for the scoop - and what relations are like with the neighbour who alerted the Sun rather than alert the police.

 

I think you are rolling two different things together here cologne. She may not have come into contact with anyone else, but she was "The Face" that appeared on TV telling everyone to stay at home. People living in the wilds can go out, walk miles and not see a soul. People living in a high rise flat in the middle of a city are in a different situation. If you are going to set rules you cannot tailor them to each individual and their different circumstances. She was asking everyone to abide by the rules that had been set, then went ahead and flouted them.
Unfortunately there have been too many people that seem to take the attitude that the advice doesn't apply to them. Parks in towns and cities such as London and Paris being closed when large gatherings have taken place. Various pictures show that unlike you or me some are just not taking notice. While some might say that when I go to the supermarket clutching my piece of paper that is too draconian, I see it as a sensible halfway house between relying on everyone exercising good judgement and having a total lockdown. Of course I agree that early testing is the way to go, but clearly France or the UK are very ill prepared to carry it out.

 

On the subject of Covid-19 and idiocy, did anyone see this? I'm not meaning to knock anyone's religious beliefs, but - when the USA is apparently bracing itself to become the worst-hit country - this is just sheer lunacy.

 

I do hope that we are not entering a period when neighbours would be informing that someone was hiding Jews in their home, or leading a branch of the resistance. There is already a them and us attitude that has poisoned the country, and this could make matters worse.

 

The problem is Frenchie that we don't know enough about this virus - early testing enables us to form a picture of exactly how, and in which environment, the initial infection took place. It also helps with tracing the contacts a person has had in between initial infection and testing. If over 90% of all infections took place indoors (as research appears to indicate) then bans on people walking in parks makes little sense.

 

Trump et al. --still in some form of denial about it.... .he particularly wants to promote the message business as ususal asap