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Off Topic Madeleine McCann ..... who's to blame ?

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  1. gelders pie

    gelders pie Well-Known Member

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    What stops me from forming an argument to support their innocence is when you see them being interviewed, Kate always seems to be really concentrating on her answers , while Gerry looks at her as if saying '' that's it, keep to what we said ''. I do hope however that they didn't have anything to do with it, otherwise they must be the most calculating callous couple you could imagine
     
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    I worked in Portugal from October 2007 to 2010, and your post pretty much sums up the view of the Portuguese people. They were disgusted when the parents weren't charged with neglect, and that the Portuguese Government just stood by while Gordon Brown arranged to fly them back to Britain.
     
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  3. Smug in Boots

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    As far as I can recall the reward money is around £2.5 million.

    The German police are hoping that someone who knows the suspect and what happened, will contact them ...

    ... Hmmm.
     
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  4. polyphemus

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    A question that, as far as I know, has never been asked is why anyone would leave their children alone in a strange room in a strange Country at night.
    They wouldn't do it in the UK as it would be illegal.
     
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  5. flandersmackem

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    I find this whole new lead of a German guy very convenient, but I guess that it could also be true. My own reservations revolve around the time that Madeline first went missing. Her mother refused to answer some very relevant questions, and a police dog that was trained to sniff our cadavers seemed to respond to the boot of their car in Portugal. But now it seems (after 13 years) they have found a German despot who seems to fit the profile of what the were supposed to be looking for...Hmmm.... Even if it is him, to leave kids ALONE in a foreign country while you and the wife wine and dine is total neglect, I have zero time for either of them.
     
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  6. Smug in Boots

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    People measure the distance and say 'but that's just like me leaving the kids upstairs in bed and going down the bottom of the garden' ...

    ... absolutely ridiculous comparison in every aspect but the distance.

    Even without the possibility of abduction it's an accident waiting to happen.

    A child, waking up in a strange place would quickly become upset. Trying to find 'mummy' through an open door at the top of steep concrete steps doesn't bear thinking about.
     
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  7. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    " ... while you and the wife wine and dine."


    Or, going out on the piss night after night, to be blunt.

    The kids were already being looked after by strangers all day, every day, and quickly tucked up in bed so the parents could get down to the bar.

    I've no doubt they knew the kids would sleep through because they had 'a little help'.
     
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  8. gelders pie

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    It’s also overlooked that their friends also left kids in their rooms
     
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  9. Smug in Boots

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    I'm sure all the kids had 'help' to sleep and I never bought the 'checking them every 20 minutes' claim.

    I know people will say 'all that matters is that the child is gone and the parents are suffering'.

    I agree that it's a big part of it but there are other aspects which people are entitled to mention.
     
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    The was a poster on rtg who had some "theories " about all this....heed the ball, I'm sure some on here will recognise the name.
    I exchanged a couple of pm's with him, and if truth be known, it was more to debunk what was saying. But, the more I read up on it, and I'm on about factual stuff, official documents etc, not theories, the more what he said made sense.
    I'm not saying I agree 100% with him, but something definately doesn't sit right.
    I hope the truth does eventually come out, and EVERYONE who is responsible is held to account, though I very much doubt that will happen.
     
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  11. gelders pie

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    I read somewhere that Gerry had told police that they had a rota system between all the parents to do a check on all rooms. One of the parents told police that each set of parents just did their own thing for their own room.
     
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    One of the men, who 'did' the last check prior to the mother finding the child missing was lying, he didn't go when he claimed.

    He said he'd gone in, checked the bedroom and saw the twins but didn't put his head in far enough to see the girl.

    I looked at the floor plan and that's impossible ...

    ... he's lying, possibly to the parents as well as the police.
     
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    Everyone can pass the buck here there and everywhere the only people to blame are the parents if they had took them with them she would be alive or if they had stayed in or got a babysitter she would be alive so they should be feeling s hit it’s their fault.
     
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    Cant disagree mate. Could never imagine ever leaving my kids sleeping where I couldn't see them (or obviously in the same building/house).
     
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    Leaving 3 babies in an unlocked flat, in a resort full of strangers and out of your sight is inexcusable imo ...

    ... doing that after the girl had woken up the previous night, crying for mummy, is beyond me tbh.
     
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  17. Delusional Full Stop

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    Also been a topic of debate on the Toon board.

    Link below is worth reading. It’s a bit long but raises a heck of a lot of questions some of which are mentioned on this thread, For me of interest are the evidence of the two dogs, the blood in the car, the 48 unanswered questions, the changing stories. Neglect as a minimum shouts out but nothing has legally happened to the McCann’s.

    http://www.jrbooksonline.com/cwporter/mccann.htm

    I have my view as to what happened and I will leave others to form their own views. I think we all agree that we would want the offenders (whatever part they played) caught, prosecuted and punished. Sadly, I doubt this will happen but can but hope.
     
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  18. gelders pie

    gelders pie Well-Known Member

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    If you and I are taken in by the police because we are a suspect , let’s say in a robbery , and we just say “ you shouldn’t ask me , look elsewhere ,I refuse your questions “ — do the police just say ok then , off you go we no longer suspect you ?
     
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  19. marcusblackcat

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    Technically it isn’t illegal. I’ve asked about this recently as my 15 year old babysits regularly fir us (has since he was 14). I was literally told that there is no law to say the legality of an age of a minor where the police are concerned. If something happens to the child/children then it becomes a neglect matter. If, lIke happened in Cornwall recently, a 9 year old was left with a dog which killed him, then it becomes a legal matter. No written law stating the age you can leave kids alone. Stupid I know but true

    edit: https://www.gov.uk/law-on-leaving-your-child-home-alone


    The law does not say an age when you can leave a child on their own, but it’s an offence to leave a child alone if it places them at risk.

    Use your judgement on how mature your child is before you decide to leave them alone, for example at home or in a car.

    The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) says:

    • children under 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone for a long period of time
    • children under 16 should not be left alone overnight
    • babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone
    Parents can be prosecuted if they leave a child unsupervised ‘in a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to health’.

    That bold bit is the bit in question along with the last bullet point.
     
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  20. rooch 3

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    Never heard anything so daft in my life is this the snowflake generation writing this?
     
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