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Discussion in 'Charlton' started by Sandman, Sep 28, 2020.

  1. lardiman

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    I think it's quantum physics that is actually supposed to be nonsense, as in it contradicts the way we believe physics works.
    Or something like that.
     
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    The trouble is, that's more or less what TV pundits do. Every free-kick and offside.
     
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    If he can get fit and stay fit he'll be a great asset. If..................
     
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  4. lardiman

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    There's a thought.
    Instead of some bloke in a room somewhere making VAR calls, it would be much more entertaining to let the Sky TV pundits make the call.
    Imagine the furore among managers and fans every week!

    Apologies, a bit off-topic. But the scope of this thread can be pretty wide I guess, as long as we arrive back to the original theme in the end.

    Off-topic rambling is a pleasant Not606 pastime :emoticon-0162-coffe
     
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  5. The Penguin

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    I've always been intrigued by what makes someone a genius. I can't define it but know when I'm in its presence. It hasn't happened often, but these are my few:
    Seve Ballesteros; Maradona; Bobby Moore; Jimi Hendrix; Buddy Rich; Aly Bain.
    The only time I saw George Best live he had lost his magic, otherwise he's be on the list.
     
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  6. Ken Shabby

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    I'll offer a brief view of humanity. Most of the history of humanity was simple survival. Making sure there was food enough not to die, wáter, and maybe a shelter to hide from the many predators that looked upon ape.man as prey was probably the Summit of ambition. At some point heirarchy came into play, and while survival was still the main objective, there was also the idea that it might be nice to be chief. As civilisation developed, this became a more important objective. A bad harvest or three might still cause mass starvation, but there was also the faint possibility to better ones lot in life. A serf might become a free holder, a knight might become earl of a village. The scope for betterment widened gradually. In the last centuary or two, the advances the race have made have risen exponentially, and the possibility to make ourselves more comfy have exploded, as have the numbers of people as we have beaten back diseases that used to carry us off in swathes, and extended our average life span. We also consume a lot more, and agricultura, which a few centuries ago was at the whim of the elements, is now augmented by fertilisers, management, and incresing use of environment damaging chmicals, antibiotics for the animals which Foster quick growth while damaging a usefull medicine as the illnesses we fought with them develop resistence,
    As Lardi already posted, there is a terrible discrepancy between people who buy so much food they literally throw it out unopened as it rots, and parts of the planet where there is imply not enough. And the urge is to build walls and boundaries to fence off our little patch, while speculating what might happen if India or China decide to have the same levels of consumerism we enjoy. A bit like the premiership clubs who are getting denounced lately for keeping all the money and forgetting they are part of a chain where the smaller clubs which will suffer from the current restrictions are the plaes where many of the current crop of players started out. It's myopic - simply looking at the extreme short term while ignoring the threat that covid has shown us, that society as we know it has sand foundations, and a small thing like a new strain of Virus can damage it irreparably. Time to wake up and change.
     
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  7. Sandman

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    Some are upset by others opinions, when it's nothing more than information. Some are upset by adverts, but it's only information. When we record speech on a computer, it's stored as noughts and ones, harmless digits that if let loose could do all kinds of damage. We are but a physical representation of universal maths, computers prove that, as the intelligence needed to invent them has been available since the Big Bang.

    I decided to build a bypass around Quantum Physics as their are too many arguments.
     
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  8. Sandman

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    I've already signed up to your club. Yes, you are spot on. Most people I know survive. And survival has many faces. Surviving your grudge or hatred of Duchatelet. What supports that mindset? Our easy life supports that mindset, for we don't have to worry about a bad harvest, or invaders taking our land, so plenty of idle mind time to be offended and develop more "want"
     
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  9. Sandman

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    Leonardo da Vinci has to be number one. He was good at everything. No matter how scandalous your IQ might be, you have to do something with it to be a genius.
     
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  10. lardiman

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    There was a chap called Imhotep in ancient Egyptian times that I've read a little about.
    He was (in some ways) a bit of a 'Da Vinci' of his day.
    Probably some great figures in ancient Chinese civilisation as well.

    It's such a pity that we will probably never know of the great innovators of lost cultures where not as much was written down in a way we can read today.
    The Central and South American civilisations in particular.
    What remains of their cities and architecture is so evocative, but so much about their people is lost forever.
    A great pity in my view. As much of a loss as the Library in Alexandria. Perhaps more so, as much still survives of ancient Mediterranean literature and philosophy, but virtually all the wisdom and world view of the ancient Latin American cultures is lost.
     
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    I'm in the middle of a book about Galileo atm. What a man he was, even designed and built his own telescopes. He faced execution for saying the earth revolved around the sun, and although he recanted to save his life, history is repeating itself now, with the human race collectively giving the middle finger to scientific knowledge with regard to environmental issues.
     
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    Tell me about it! I wrote to the Government two years ago explaining the probability of an anti globalization / want over need virus that might lay down new rules for human survival, but apparently their virologists had a greater grasp on probability than my good self. Two weeks ago I sent them diagrams of viruses and their coding. The code of Covid is 313-364-0-306-417 which means it has perfect logic meaning that it has a predetermined kill number, so locking down is only postponing the inevitable.

    Covid cannot morph or change it's target group, it can only change it's orbit which is a seasonal, hence there will be no second wave. I firmly believe that the final death count would be no different than if we'd just let it run it's course. To see life clearly we need to embrace chaos.

    PM me if you'd like to view my data.
     
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    Who would you say are geniuses that you have actually seen or heard live?
     
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  14. Sandman

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    George Carlin was a social genius. he made you cringe at your own sorry self and laugh at the same time. Bill Hicks comes a close second.
     
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    Are you saying that the virus will kill a pre-ordained number of people worldwide and then stop?

    If so, how is it supposed to keep tabs on numbers? Infections, by their nature, are generated by random contact.
     
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  16. lardiman

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    No, I think Sandman was saying that the virus will kill a pre-ordained or predetermined proportion of the population (rather than an absolute number).
    And it will get them eventually no matter how much they are shielded.
    I can't speak to that really. Too many variables in my view.

    We really do need a vaccine.
    By the summer of next year I for one won't be satisfied with an admission that we just can't develop one, and that folks will simply have to learn to 'live with the virus'.
    Our scientists need to step up to the next level.
     
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  17. Sandman

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    Thanks for the explanation, and spot on. If you step up to the next level, you are not accepted through pure fear of your brutal physics. If your physics denies religion and sentiment, it will be rejected.
     
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  18. Sandman

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    What Lardi said lol. Random doesn't actually exist, but it's a long explanation why. I'm cool with differences of opinion, it keeps the love, and aint we short of that.

    An evolving soul will be in harmony with every living creature.
     
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    Someone that says they lie all the time, will always tell you the truth, well except for the lie that started this sentence.

    It's a paradox that can spawn multiple thought patterns, like having to have choice to be able to choose choice above pessimism. Depression is a good example, like being suspended in the mouth of a black hole watching it suck in all the hope in the universe...you cannot remember choice, pessimism is your singular thought.
     
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  20. lardiman

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    Then there's the question of a definition (or definitions) of truth...
     
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