Daily Racing Thread Saturday 17th. October 2020

Raising Sand

 

Tom & Hollie, thats all folks.

 

A good run from Skalleti but that was probably Addeybb's best performance. Nice to see William Haggas land a big one because he is usually placing them for handicaps and winning three grand maidens with horses who cost quarter of a million quid.

Magical never travelled that well today and I think Mishriff got found out as a winner of a rank bad French Derby. Lord North was also poor and his earlier form had not really stacked up.

Japan was dismal yet again and whoever shelled out to buy into him has bought the biggest White Elephant in a long time.

Unsurprisingly Pyledriver did not have the pace to get involved. His St Leger run is the biggest piece of **** placement by a trainer in a long time. A line through his Voltigeur win had him just about winning the Grand Prix De Paris and through that race the Arc itself, but despite other people advising William Muir to go down that route they went for the scabby St Leger and didn't stay. Compounding the error by then running over a half mile shorter next time takes some believing and is pure amateur hour training. Pyledriver stayed on steadily enough making up places late but he was sent on a fools errand. These trainers moan about not getting ammunition but when they get a bullet they then point the rifle up their own arse and fire.

It's not really a Champions meeting because we have well spent horses running on a ploughed field. Royal Ascot is too early in the season to be a Champion decider because some horses are not ready to rock and roll in June. I would have thought that August would be a better month to have a Championship meeting of races on decent ground and that would be fair to horses who have needed another couple of months to hit their stride.

Sad to see Stradivarius placed so badly this season. At the age of six most horses are well set in their role and I think the owner had his head up his ass talking about the Champion Stayer's turn of foot and getting carried away with the idea of reinventing him as a 12F horse so deep into his career. Watching him coming home 62 lengths in arrears was pitiful to see and they bottomed him out in vain over in Paris.

 

Ciankyle obliges, the race panning out pretty much as expected so a nice win there. All The Chimneys drifted to 14/1 but ran a creditable 3rd. The old boy ran with credit but it wasn't his day.

 

where the fack is the king of the aftertimers , telling all about The Revenant ?

great but bleak film btw ......

 

Good. Got it 6/1.

 

The only reason I didn't go for Palace Pier was The Revenant rudey. I wasn't going to say anything

https://www.timeform.com/horse-raci...lish-testing-ground-on-champions-day-13102020

 

i backed it on ground conditions, plus its form is impeccable

 

Yes, the silence is deafening. As for the film, saw it when it was first released down here. Agree, a great film but was indeed bleak. I always thought it was a desperate attempt by Leonardo DiCaprio to win an Oscar for best actor, and he did it!

 

Blimey. I think that's a boom!

 

You have reverted to not bothering to read what was actually written again. Ridiculous.

I am not sure what makes Magical a champion in your evaluation as she has been beaten every time she has met Enable and concentrated on picking up small field fillies’ races against inferior opposition. Her only claim to champion status is based on her defeat of Ghaiyyath in the Irish Champion Stakes.

Total after-timing on my part but the Palace Pier bubble well and truly burst and, by inference from your statement, Stradivarius is no longer a champion because he was beaten out of sight by a slow old plodder on heavy ground in a race he has failed to win three of the last four years.

That “artificially managed good going” has never existed at this meeting. Mother Nature waters Ascot in October and they were stupid enough to plan the meeting over a period of years.

 

Champions Day took several years to plan because it is not simply a case of pick a date and put on some races. We are members of the European Pattern Committee and all changes to Pattern races have to be agreed by committee. That is how some races get elevated to higher Group status or lowered in status because it is not just prize money that matters but quality of competitor. That is how the races on Arc Sunday have managed to become Group 1 by attracting the best and Champions Day still has a Group 2. The ideal slot would have been where the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes was in September but they were never going to get the Irish to move their Champion Stakes and a valuable stayers’ race would detract from the St Leger.

What is now the Long Distance Cup used to be the Jockey Club Cup at Newmarket and the Champion Stakes was also moved from HQ. The fixture is at the wrong course because a fortune had been spent on rebuilding Ascot and it is much more accessible by train from London than Newmarket for a big crowd. Racing’s moronic pursuit of young people’s disposable cash continues apace, alienating their core older audience with disposable cash crowd.

If they could re-arrange the races at Glorious Goodwood, they could have the Goodwood Cup as the stayers race, the Nassau for the fillies and mares, the Sussex for the milers and the King George for the sprinters. The problem with putting all four of those on one day is that it makes the rest of the meeting an undercard.

 

I usually get bored after your first sentence.

MAGICAL i believe is a winner of seven group ones, makes her a Champion in my book.

The flat season is obviously far too long and trying to fit this in the calendar is nigh on impossible. I believe they should have a new look at the entire fixture list as it is all pretty archaic.

 

My original first sentence was “The tenth anniversary Champions Day and hardly a champion in sight... ”. No mention of “no Champions”. Next excuse...

Magical did not win all those Group 1s this season and there can only be one champion. She was a runner-up plenty of times to horses that were better than her, some of whom were conceding her a sex allowance.

 

You really are a bore!