Off Topic Covid 19 restrictions have done one

It is quite probable that the Governments decision on whether to open the pubs and/or allow crowds back inside football stadia will depend upon the percentage of the population vaccinated Support your local team?

 

It would help if people obeyed simple rules bailout hand washing, sanitising, social distancing. Instead we get pissing contests with people saying you hibernate if you are afraid and let us big brave boys get on with it (whilst expecting the NHS to come to our rescue of course).
Maybe teachers could explain why it is dangerous to open our schools but all the schools in France are open with no problems..

 

So you think travel to hot spots would be open and unrestricted? The vaccine is only one tool in an array pf options, and it won't work in the way you imply from the initial post I responded to, and there can be any number of reasons why someone might not have had it.

 

Way to go in making a mountain out of a molehill. Your exaggeration of peoples views and habits says far more about you than it says about the people you're insulting.

 

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Insulting people by telling them to hibernate if they are afraid and letting the rest get on with things says plenty about the people saying that as well. And a lack of appreciation about how to stop its transmission.
You saying everyone follows rules about handwashing, using sanitisers etc?

 

The question was will it affect holidays. And the answer will be yes. Either governments can stop people travelling who have not had a vaccination or countries people want to go to will not allow entry without proof of vaccination. Both of which are possible.
There are not any number of reasons, there are a few. But not wanting one wouldn't be accepted.
As I said, first time I went to Spain there had been a yellow fever scare. If you didn't have a job for it along with typhoid and malaria jabs you didn't go. You were granted exemption for the yellow fever one with a doctor's note saying you were allergic but that cost as much as the vaccinations on top of the ones you were having so you may as well have had it. Can see a similar situation arising.

 

It's not insulting to suggest people that feel they are vulnerable take responsibility and minimise the opportunities for transmission, it's simply common sense. It also means that those at less risk can have less restrictions, which increases the services available, and reduces the economic damage. It also reduces the mental and physical impacts of measures. We're already building a long term issue to do excessive alcohol, as people find their own ways of handling isolation, and there are plenty of other health impacts building for future years.

It's about common decency and understanding, and not just hurling insults at the general population, especially as the current official line is that by far and above the majority of people are being sensible and considerate.

 

More likely they'll want proof of a test rather than vaccination, as the test will be more readily available, and the vaccine may still result in transmission.

 

Back in the 70s, I remember having to have a Smallpox vaccine to visit Yugoslavia (now Croatia) and am fairly certain we had to have a yellow fever vaccination to visit Spain.

 

Everyone wants to take responsibility for minimimising for the risks of transmission. The vulnerable do not transmit it any more, or any less, than the non vulnerable they just suffer more from the effects. The inconsiderate ones who want to show common decency are those who say they don't give a stuff as it won't affect them.
Doesn't make much difference to me at this time of year other than the odd trip to the pub. Not going around the supermarkets or shopping with the wife is a burden .I can bear.
It is the younger ones who are missing out socialising and on what should be an enjoyable time of their lives and when they should be progressing academically or in their careers that I feel sorry for. Being sat in with hundreds of TV channels with the Internet and being able to keep in touch electronically when you are older is not too bad. Would have been a lot worse 40 or 50 years ago.

 

Still, on the bright side, it's given the word curmudgeonly a new lease of life. Every cloud and all that.

 

What brought that mind to me was my wife had a bad reaction to the flu jab this year and sad that the only other time she had a bad reaction to a jab was to the yellow fever one she had before we went to Spain in 1973.

Imagine the situation regarding smallpox, polio and other ones if people had decided they were not going to have inoculations against them in the numbers they are saying won't havecan anti covid jab.

 

Never needed it. I always told candy I pictured him as an old curmudgeon sat in the pub nursing half a bitter putting the world to rights.

 

I’m not sure everybody will need to take it annually in the end - it’ll depend on the development of the anti-viral drugs that are due out later this year.

 

Does anyone else find it a bit sick that this old chap managed to raise a whopping 30m for the NHS during the pandemic and he dies from the disease due to relatively younger people not giving a crap and breaking the rules whenever they can?

Shows you the huge gulf in class between people of his generation and the people about nowadays in my opinion. We've gone from having people who are willing to die for the country or for what's right and good, to people who aren't willing to even wear a mask or take a hit on their social life to save the lives of others.

 

More suitable on the covid thread rather than RIP?

 

Values are passed on from grandparents, to parents to kids. Perhaps blaming great-grandparents is more logical, but an equally weak conclusion.