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Daily Racing Thread Thursday 17th. June 2021

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by attivo, Jun 16, 2021.

  1. QuarterMoonII

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    Mohaafeth did that nicely but I think that Crowley is going to get a few days holiday. The horse hung right under a left-handed drive but he did not switch the whip and forced the runner-up Roman Empire to snatch up after carrying him across. Ryan Moore should have a very hard time trying to convince the stewards that his horse would have made up a length in fifty yards with a free run up the rail.
     
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  2. As We Know

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    Any other country that would be taken down, Roman Empire would have went very close there if Mohafeeth kept a straight line, was coming right back at him before completely cut off and the final distance should be irrelevant as a result of that or else you are basically saying do what you want to win the race as long as you cost the the runner up enough distance.
     
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  3. GillLebowski

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    Some seriously well bred fillies in the 3:40... A full sister to Found in Divinely, a Galileo out of Midday in Noon Star and an American Pharaoh out of an Irish Oaks winner and Prix de Diane 2nd... I don't have too much of a view on this one but I'd like to see Divinely or Noon Star win just because of the breeding...

    4:15;

    Hopefully Stradivarius comes out and equals Yeats' record. Big Tony Mullins fan but even the straight talker himself has said he's very disappointed with the ground has basically said Princess Zoe hasn't a chance... Going to take a chance of Rip Van Lips improving a lot for the extra distance. He's surely not being brought over for a spin around Ascot? 100/1 and 35/1 for 6 places... Nayef Road ran Stradivarius close in the past and seems to have lost his touch lately. Putting his last two runs aside and being back at Ascot gives me hope that the 80/1 available is overpriced and the 25/1 for 6 places is very enticing.

    5:00;

    I feel like this is a real 'throw a dart' race and my darts have landed on George Peabody and Grid. George Peabody has been in my tracker since it's first race and won it's 2nd start very easily. Next race wasn't quite as easy but hopefully has a bit more improvement in it. With such a low weight hopefully he'll be passing horses rather than falling back near the end at 25/1. Grid is just an O'Brien second string guess...
     
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  4. SwanHills

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    16:15 Ascot - Emperor Of The Sun

    (Hoping this colt will manage a podium finish behind Stradivarius! Seems to stay very well, and is certainly well-bred for the job. Missed 20/1, but 16/1 readily available at time of writing.)

    Belated good luck today with your wagers! :emoticon-0167-beer:

    (Bravo PrincessNewmarket, two fine picks already!) <ok>
     
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  5. Grendel

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    Mohaafeth won well enough but it looked a weak race. One Ruler didn't stay and looks like he will do well to find a suitable race this season.
     
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    I kind of agree with this. Seemingly the distance between 1st and 2nd will ultimately decide if the stewards are going to look into the placings of the result.

    So basically, like Mohafeeth, all a jockey needs to do is cut across another horse because the horse cut up will obviously pull up and lose it's momentum while the horse in front unhindered will carry on with momentum extending it's lead.
     
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    Never known a Royal Ascot where it has been so hard to pick a winner!
     
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    Bugger, I was logged on at work till 3:30 so missed your recommendations, superb once again and thanks for sharing with the group
     
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  9. QuarterMoonII

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    Well done to Rab Havlin on Loving Dream. That looked like a very fast race and he was in the right place, taking his time to work his way across before taking the lead in the straight. Jim Crowley gave Eshaada too much to do.

    The winner reversing Lingfield Oaks Trial running with Divinely (fourth and fifth that day) but Frankie deserting her for Gosden’s other runner.

    Like her mum, I think Noon Star might prefer the ground a little easier.
     
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  10. Tamerlo

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    Swanny, I agree. A really progressive performance to beat a proven stayer in Search For A Song.
    A worthy good each way bet now stepped up in trip- and this ground should suit.<ok>
     
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  11. QuarterMoonII

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    One Ruler did not stay in the Derby, so I guess they had to find out whether he is a ten furlong horse. I guess they now know the answer if he drops back to a mile.
     
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  12. GillLebowski

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    5:35;

    I really like the look of Siskany. Really improved on it's second start and has kept improving since and I feel there could still be even more to come over this distance. Hopefully there's no serious pace and just like Kemari yesterday can inject his pace in the last few furlongs and come clear. Another Godolphin horse Act of Wisdom is overpriced to me at 33/1. Again, hopefully the distance can eke out another bit of improvement and might do better with a pacemaker than Siskany. Near the bottom of the weights is Too Friendly, didn't do too great LTO in a listed affair but again, could be improving. At 50/1 and 20/1 for 9 places I'll hope for a good race...

    6:10;

    Probably too many horses in this race that I like. Unfortunately the rain hasn't really came for Raising Sands so I won't be going near it today. Have been on Boardman for his last 3 races so I can't give up on him today. At larger odds I'm a bit interested by Documenting and On The Warpath. Documenting should enjoy the ground but a bit worried about the draw and the weight but at 40/1 that's included in the price. The latter is the same price and basically having it's first run of the year. Has been lightly raced but it's probably better at 6f instead of 7 even though in it's 6f races it looks like 7 will suit. Shares top weight with Bedouin's Story but I don't like horses at short prices having their first race back in England after a spring in Meydan. Hopefully On The Warpath can come back strong on his debut this year and at Ascot.
     
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  13. QuarterMoonII

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    That is not strictly true.

    In France (and probably quite a few other jurisdictions) any sort of interference results in the offender being placed behind the victim. The most famous example I can think of was when Andrew Lloyd Webber’s filly Dar Re Mi was disqualified in the Prix Vermeille, which was awarded to local favourite Stacelita because the John Gosden trained Yorkshire Oaks winner had interfered with an unplaced filly.

    In this country, the stewards watch the video and hear from the jockeys just like any other enquiry; and then they have to make an assessment on whether the offender gained any advantage that affected the result of the race. Whilst that is very subjective, it does avoid the situation where a horse wins by ten lengths and gets relegated for bumping an also-ran on its way to the lead.

    Not having had any betting involvement in the race, I do think that the stewards were correct to leave the result on this occasion as the winner passed the runner-up to get to the lead and clearly was not stopping, which might have suggested the runner-up could have bridged the gap.
     
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  14. Saf

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    Great ride by Fanning. Took the race away when he kicked coming around the bend.
     
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  15. Ron

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    I suspect Gosden will have a stiff word with Frankie for that ride
     
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    Yes it was a good ride and the horse was very game
     
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  17. Saf

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    The runner up was picking up and gathering momentum against the rail. I'd say Mohaafeth would have probably gone on to win the race but the horse he cut up finished in 2nd and it was by no means a certainty that Mohaafeth would have won. In that instance, when's there's still a margin of doubt about who would have won, I'd suggest that the race should go against the offender because we'll never know for sure and that is because of his actions.
     
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  18. Grecian Mick

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    Very poor indeed
     
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    Don't know what to think of that, Tamerlo, the colt had a bad run from the outside trap, but was certainly not involved in the traffic jam which effectively ended Strad's chances. EOTS had to travel far too far to have any chance of getting in the first three home? Great win by Subjectivist, obviously a stayer of the highest class. A great run too by Princess Zoe.
     
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  20. QuarterMoonII

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    In the Britannia Stakes cavalry charge, I narrowed it down to just five: Raadobarg, Mithras, Aerion Power, Liffey River and Summa Peto. Three of them are on at least a hat-trick; but with my record this week, the winner is none of them but only connections of RAADOBARG can blame me for stopping their horse with my money. I will be annoyed if Aerion Power wins as I did Stoute’s Lights On yesterday that was heavily backed once I was on and ran nowhere; and this one has gone 20/1 down to 12/1.

    I think the pace will be on the stands’ side as the front runner Big Narstie is drawn high. I wonder if Ryan might try to set the fractions on Horoscope on the far side. Have to be wary of a Ballydoyle horse that has only run once in a handicap.
     
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