Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

If you think the acrimony between remainers and leavers is going to be bitter and 'I told you so' is going to linger for years.

Imagine the bitterness when Scotland get independence... the vitriol will be something to behold.

 

Do the majority of Scottish people really want independence though? It always appears to be a very vocal minority from the msm.

That's a serious question btw as I don't honestly know how much momentum there is for independence.

Also brings the question, that if Scotland voted for it would Wales follow suit?

 

It should never have gone to a public vote in my opinion.

If we're being honest few of us had a clue what the issues were or what the consequences might be.

The government weren't brave enough to make a decision so passed the buck so the public would be responsible ...

.... as you say it's just created divisions that will last few years and I've yet to see any benefits tbh.

Whatever the case the government can't just keep blaming the public for Covid problems, fuel shortages, etc, as they have done.

 

I was in Orkney just after the referendum and everyone there seemed pleased that the independence vote had lost. I think at the time, they showed the voting pattern and it was mainly the Glasgow area that wanted it. Could all have changed now, mind.

 

The Brexiteers I am sure they knew that leaving the EU would have a negative impact on the economy ( in the short term at least) but they wanted to take control anyway.

Similarly for the blue faced bravehearts in Scotland, independence is all about breaking free from the yolk of English dominance. Sod the economic effects.

One such effect, there will be an unholy row about how much UK debt Scotland have to take on with Independence. Allied to this, no matter what currency they adopt they will have to go cap in hand to international monetary markets to borrow funds... the interest rates will be penal... to reflect the risk.

 

They can all vote for it as far as I’m concerned. Sick of hearing old Wee Jimmy moaning on about it and would be very happy to cut the billions we pour into Scotland each year to prop them up so that they can live better than us, paying more to public sector workers, educating their kids in free universities, giving their citizens free prescriptions, free hospital parking, the list goes on. Same goes for Wales if they are also starting to feel that way inclined.

They should be very careful what they wish for in my opinion, if they vote to leave lets see how their economy is in a few years when Westminster halts the gravy train. They are so deluded that they think everything will be fine on the back of taxing what comes out of the North Sea for the rest of time.

If they have another referendum it should include English citizens votes too. I would be happy to vote for their freedom from the tyranny of the English and let them join the EU once more to be governed by Brussels (if they would allow them in). I am sure the EU would just love to have another new member state that only takes out and never puts anything into the pot.

 

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Whatever the case the government can't just keep blaming the public for Covid problems, fuel shortages, etc, as they have done

Well I would imagine they can if that is the reason..

 

Crazy isn't it. People can actually think for themselves in the North East and stand up to the cowardly 'Your parents will turn in their grave for voting Tory' Labour tactics. That's all they ever had. Folk can see through that, now. That's why part of Durham turned blue and many other places up north.

 

And only see things from the same point of view as yourself, but that's fine by me I'll just know in future not to bother entering in to a debate with you

 

You certainly think a lot about yourself. Knob

 

He wouldn't feel out of place in 1930's Germany with his attitude.

 

Prime example was at the last election my sister in law was talking about who she was going to vote from, I could not believe it when she said I can't stand Jeremy Corbyn or anything that he stands for but she would still have to vote for him because her dad would turn in his grave as he'd been Labour all his life

 

It's the younger generation that want independence. So, sooner or later there's going to be a majority that do want it. The SNP done well letting Covid rip through their care homes and takeaway the No vote. If there's a vote in the next couple of years, I have a feeling they'll vote to remain in the union. Just.

The SNP have literally seized control of Scotland. They've got control of the media and all they ever pump out is anti-English/anti-Westmister propaganda.

There's no appetite whatsoever for Wales to become an independent nation. That won't be happening in any of our lifetimes.

 

It's a shame but thankfully the latest generations are coming away from that nonsense.

Conservatives are for the working class in this country and because of that reason I expect they'll continue to do well and pick up seats up here. Labour will start to take more seats down south as they become more and more appealing to the middle class.

Politics has been turned on his head but there's still folk in denial about what that means for Labour. They're finished. Losing Scotland and the North means there's no comeback for them. They'll not win a majority again, it's all about hoping they can scrape enough votes with all the other parties combined to remove our natural government to the UK.

 

Labour would do well to separate from Momentum.
Momentum rely on the multi-generational loyalty of Labour voters because they know that without that, they would never get anywhere near being elected. In my opinion, of course.

 

To be fair that's the only time any government has a referendum, when they are uncertain what the popular vote will be or they don't want to upset their "political donators".

 

The same sex marriage vote over here was an utter joke. Should have been a formality but they bottled it.

 

A huge part of the problem. They aren't even close to getting a grip on it, neither.

 

People say that there's a cult of personality around Boris. Maybe there is but there was definitely one around him. I find it genuinely frightening that people sing the name of a politician like that in this country. While his like are still present, I don't think Labour are a viable alternative.