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who is to blame

Discussion in 'Wycombe' started by Rocky blue army, Jan 10, 2012.

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who is to blame

Poll closed Jan 17, 2012.
  1. steve hayes

    10 vote(s)
    71.4%
  2. gary waddock

    8 vote(s)
    57.1%
  3. the players

    5 vote(s)
    35.7%
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  1. Rocky blue army

    Rocky blue army Well-Known Member

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    this seasons disastrous slide to the bottom of the league is just not good enough but who is to blame
     
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  2. theblues

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    Both Hayes and Waddock:
    Hayes has put no money in for ages now and the **** he has put the club through this year with the stadium and 2 years ago has severely damaged our chances of cementing the league 1 spot both times round. Ever since the stadium plan fell apart he's shown no interest and it is clear he wants out.
    Waddock also takes part of the blame. Replacing Pittman and Montrose with Halls, Harding and Benyon showed such poor judgement from GW. Furthermore, the way he marginalises players like we've seen with Betsy, Mccoy and Harris recently shows a kind of arrogance that I don't like to see in a manager. This is especially when it means a sub-standard team is playing while the players who could make a difference are on the bench due to clouded judgement from the manager. Also, with Waddock he'll only ever blame his players, he'll come out after a poor performance and say 'My players let me down', when its his set of players which he failed to acheive and outcome from, so part of the credit must lie with him.
     
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  3. josewwfc

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    waddock has made some awful signings: possibly one of the summer signings at most has been any good. letting montrose go was baffling, westwood was also a strange one for me. the worst thing for me though is his clear favoritism: McCoy, betsy and recently harris all being victims of this. a less mentioned one is also rendell, our top scorer last year but little chance this year at all.
     
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    Where has this assumption that Rendell has been crap this season come from?

    He's had TWO league starts this season, it's ridiculous to make assumptions from this. I don't see Johnson, Winfield, Lewis, Foster, Beavon etc. being dropped when they a couple of poor matches, so why is last season's top goalscorer any different? Last match he played was against Fleetwood, where for the short time he was on he made an impact, most notably providing a cracking ball for Benyon to cock up from 2 yards out. Given a run in the team he may or may not do well, it's just ridiculous how he can't get a sniff at the team.
     
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    All three IMO. Hayes, knob head, end of. Put's no money into the club and just doesn't care. Waddock, bad signings, basically brought a team of ex-aldershot players and there is a reason they played for aldershot, they aren't good enough. He is also very arrogant recently. Also, some terrible decisions regarding Betsy, McCoy and Harris. All three should've started every game. Obviously he let betsy go which is baffling. And Montrose, who is a darn sight better than halls and harding. McNamee is a poor signing, even on loan. The players are to blame too. They aren't very good, but they don't even try; which i think is the least you expect from players clearly lacking in footballing skill. They are lazy and apart from Bull and Bloomfield, no-one gives two ****s about the club. arrrrgh
     
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    Steve Hayes is 100% the blame for me, no manager can do the job they would like to do with no money. I'm sure half the players we mention that cost a bit of money, Gary Waddock would be interested in signing.

    Yes he has made some poor management decisions with the release of Montrose & Pittman in particular, but every manager will do this. They have their favourite players after all & none of us know the full reason behind why they were both released - maybe Hayes instructed that some of the top earners would either have to be released or be offered major cutbacks in wages.

    I know with John Mousinho we offered him a 1 year contract with 25% less wages than what he was earning previously and Stevenage offered him a 3 year deal and more money. Gary Waddock's hands are tied in situations like these and maybe John Halls & Ben Harding were willing to reduce wages in order to make a step up in football where ad other player may not be willing to do this.

    Both Taylor & Waddock are good managers, based on the type of players both signed whilst in league one with Wycombe it shows you that nothing has changed and Hayes doesn't learn that he needs to invest in quality players and build a team not just live off free transfers and other teams crap - why should we have to take other teams unwanted players.
     
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  9. Ron

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    All 3 but in order, I would say:

    1. Hayes, by a long way for reasons given elsewhere.
    2. Players, even with wrong tactical decisions, there is no excuse for not giving 100%
    3. Waddock
     
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    montrose had goood potential and honestly, would you not choose him over halls or harding. this assumption is harsh on rendell, he has played so little this season. McCoy yes, very recently but why it took so long i dont know. thats nothing against foster, but i feel mccoys z much better player
     
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    Was at Chalfont last night for the B&B Cup match, has to be said that I left feeling rather disappointed. WWFC starting eleven contained McCoy, Halls, Harris, Strevens and Rendell but during the second half were outplayed by CSP. Of the Wanderers on show Ollie Taylor and Anthony Stewart probably impressed most but we were certainly very fortunate to win 3-2 after extra time.
     
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    Out played. Oh dear.
     
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  14. Bilversack

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    Spot on JS, spot on.
     
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  15. Bilversack

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    Don't really hold with this argument that Waddock needs to go cos of his awful signings to be honest. He's made some bad ones, but he's also made some very good ones - a bit like nearly every other manager in the world has. I think some have chosen to focus on this as a reason why we are doing terribly, whereas in fact the real reason we're doing so badly is his tactics - NOT his signings.

    However, Waddock going will NOT solve anything I'm afraid. Hayes needs to get out, write off the loan notes and put the club in the hands of the trust immediately. That's the only way out of this mess. Otherwise no matter who we have at the helm, unless they can work (literally) miracles with next to no funding and a owner who couldn't give two stuffs about the club, our slide will continue right back down to non-league.
     
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    Completely agree Jock.
     
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  17. Bilversack

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    Also, Montrose and Pitman would not have got into our first team now so I do wish people would stop bleating about them going - Pitman couldn't make the Pox's first team (he's been given a reprieve for being really **** earlier in the season, but hardly Lg 1 material) and Montrose is warming his arse at Gillingham. Are they really better than Lewis, Donnelly and Rowlands have been this season? No.
     
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  18. Rocky blue army

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    very interesting to see most fans on here ultimately blaming sharkey hayes and i totally agree but waddock needs to sort out his priorities and pick players we know who can do the job and not keep picking his favourites
     
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    Agreed but at the end of the day, whoever is on the pitch should be giving 100%
     
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  20. Rocky blue army

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    agreed ron the udds performance was a disgrace
     
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