Mags v City

Nope....

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/aug/30/football.sallybolton

Sir Bobby left Dyer on the bench after the England player refused to play on the right wing against Middlesbrough. He later left captain Alan Shearer on the bench for Newcastle's 4-2 defeat at Aston Villa, sparking rumours of further unrest at the club.

When the Mary poppins of doom looked over a managers shoulder you know it spelt OOT! One man bigger then the club.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2388505/Robson-Shearer-betrayed-me.html

 

I may be one of the few to admit that I did actually believe things were heading downhill for Newcastle in the last season under Bobby and that the time had probably come for him to go - the issue was that we had no-one better to replace him with (which is a much better issue!).

He had assembled a very talented squad of players but part of the reason they came to us rather than more fashionable clubs is because they had baggage. Players like Bellamy, Dyer and Bowyer were regularly undermining him and when Bernard, Robert and Shearer turned too then you have to make big decisions. The club could have backed Bobby and in an ideal world would have done so but I think the sad reality is that most modern footballers want money and fame and to feel important and Bobby was not willing to do that.

Modern Game where players are too powerful 1
Old Game which fans preferred 0

 

I'm surprised the commentators were claiming a draw would've been fair.

Yes I'm biased but the City keeper didn't have a shot to save.

Pellegrini left Aguero & Mangala out of the side and still coasted to an easy win.

This was a City side that was supposedly 'there for the taking' after the Charity Shield match.

 

That telegraph article was a good read, amazing how one player could have so much influence over a club!!

Shearer seems a right c##t.

 

"Having initially been happy to groom the local hero as his successor he duly changed his mind, telling reporters that Shearer, who is at present studying for his coaching badges, would be much more suited to a media career."

Shearer, Gullit, Souness etc have found their natural level outside of football ...... way below what Bobby achieved.

 

Eventually yes and replied...My mobile was on charge and left at home while I was at work nearly all weekend..
I have the bank holiday Monday after the match off as well, so will be stopping in town after the game..

 

I thought a draw would have been a fairer result. I think 2-0 flattered them.

They were missing a few but so were we, notably Tiote and De Jong.

I personally did think Hart made a save, from a corner where Gouffran was at the back post, Hart made himself big and looked to have made a block to me.

Perez, Sissoko, Gouffran, Cabella and Dummett all missed huge chances, all were better chances than City had (outside of their two goals).

Shots on target is a misleading stat IMO, mainly because if a teams blazes over from two yards out say 4 or 5 times in one game then they've clearly had some big chances to win the game. We had big chances today, Dummett with a free header from 6 yards, Perez one on one with Hart, Cabella skyed one from six yards. Sissoko missed the target from 18 yards with the whole goal to aim at and Gouffran from the corner mentioned above. Normally those chances would yield at least two goals and on that basis I think we merited a point.

I wasn't as impressed with Cabella as others have been, quite often did a trick for the sake of it when it wasn't always needed but he certainly gets the crowd off their feet.

I've taken out a lot of positives from the game but it probably did highlight the fact we're a Remy/Ba short of where we need (want) to be.

 

Tiote isn't 'missing', he's been training with the bairns because Newcastle want him out.

As far as Perez, Sissoko, Gouffran, Cabella and Dummett missing chances ....... yes, that's why you lost, you're supposed to hit the target.

I said Riviere was a 'Newcastle Alan Brown' and I think that's what he'll prove to be ....... a headless chicken who looks good at first glance.

 

You've confused Tiote with Ben Arfa.

Yeah we lost because we didn't put our chances away. My point was on chances created we deserved a draw in my opinion.

 

I was taking the piss...about Taylor.

 

tidied

not in my honest opinion, you were better than i expected, but i never expected you to get anything from today, city didnt really break sweat for me and sounness talks garbage.

they soaked you up with ease, when it comes to a scrap you will be left wanting, i did like the look of the white ba barracus mind, nimble feet.

i would not take any positives from today if i were you, i would look at my next game, today was not a day to judge, city did what they had to do and did it well

 

Haway man, City left players out because they thought it would be a routine victory, they hardly broke sweat tbh.

Missing chances means the players are the kind who miss chances ........ you can't afford that in the Premier League.

If City had felt threatened they'd have moved up a few gears imo.

 

The most stupid post I've ever seen from you. All players miss chances, Shearer, Phillips, Messi, Ronaldo etc. Some days it just doesn't go for you, today was one of those days. Just because you miss chances in one game doesn't mean that'll be the case in the next.

I'm sure if we had those exact same chances next week a couple would get converted.

 

I don't think so. We only shipped 2 to city which was really not a fair result of our defensive effort. This is also the defense that got us 5th....

 

Don't be soft, you're missing the point.

The fact is that missing chances means that, in that game, you didn't deserve to win, like keepers fluffing easy saves.

Having perfectly good goals ruled out, or being denied blatant penalties, isn't bad luck it's bad play.

Next time, as you say,may be different but the quality of finishing didn't merit a draw ....... it was poor finishing and Hart had a very easy day.

 

So missing goals at one end and conceding them at the other isn't fair ...... I'm struggling here tbh.

 

Could go on all day to be fair. I was pleased with our performance and very encouraged by the chances created, especially given the fact we were playing the best team in the league without Tiote and De Jong.

On another day we'd have taken a point.

I see where you're coming from, I just disagree. Which is just as well because that's what makes for a half decent debate

 

That's my point though, there won't be another day ....... you only play City at home once a season and that's 3 points gone that will never come back.

Next week is a different game and different circumstances. The match at Villa might see them deserve nowt but nick the points.

You can only judge each game on it's merits and poor finishing doesn't merit 3 points.

Good finishing does and Man City merited their goals & points because they hit the back of the net.

 

Reading through this thread and I feel that I must disagree with you GBC. That was not the stupidest thing that Smug has ever said. He's said far more stupid things than that over the years!

In all seriousness though I come down on the side of the argument that the team that puts the ball in the net most often is the team that deserves to win (unless there have been ridiculously bad decisions that affected that). We didn't today and Man City did and they deserve the three points because of it.

I would say though that I am hugely encouraged by the performance and that it offers a lot of hope for the rest of the season. Hope is not enough and needs to be converted into points, but I think it was an encouraging start and nowhere near as bad as most of us expected, especially as we thought the absence of Tiote would leave Anita and Colback looking very fragile.

 

That's a fair summary including the 'stupidest thing' remark, I've said stuff a million times dafter than that

I thought Anita & Gouffran put a good shift in and Williamson has definitely improved as a player.

I expect he's had to as Coloccini seems to be quite erratic, at times, and seems to be running around flapping and out of position a lot.

Colback was typical Colback, worked hard and was neat & tidy with his short passes ....
... also typically standing with hands on hips, in the centre circle, when both goals went in. He has an annoying tendency to be drawn upfield, where he never scores, then watching the play go past him.

I commented on Riviere before you signed him and said he was someone who tries too hard and runs around aimlessly. He's apt to catch the eye with his enthusiasm but wastes too many opportunities which will be irritating in a league where chances are few.

Playing the Champions would never be easy but I reckon you'll get a better idea of the team with the next half a dozen 'easier' games.