Off Topic Brexiterrs vote today

That's just the trouble with this country - too many people are tied up in the past politically. Taking into account what grandparents voted is ridiculous. Today is where it's at, not where we were 60 years ago.

If you're a socialist, you should be one out of conviction not tradition. If you're a tory, you should believe in the principles of capitalism and self determination of your own future. That's not at the expense on exploiting others as many on the extreme left would brainwash us into believing, and certainly not the world of Tommy Robinson either.

If you lean towards a more liberal approach, then that's because you're looking for a middle ground that just doesn't exist. Holding the balance of power is the best you could hope for a la Clegg and that just doesn't work - look what a right balls up that was.

I'm not a political animal by any stretch of the imagination, but polarisation of the electorate to maintain a strong two party system is this country is what is needed. This will surely happen at the next GE whatever "rogue" results are thrown up by the current issues.

The others - UKIP over immigration, Brexit over leaving the EU, Change formed by currently disenchated mainstream party MPs will fade and die. They are basically "protest" parties that germinate when single issues divides the country. Even the Greens are driven mainly by ecological issues that concern many, but have no broad basis to govern a country.

The only minor parties that will survive are the nationalist factions - Scotland, Wales and NI. They've always been there but hopefully will never be in a position to police the governing party again.

 

A few are saying the Brexit Party has no manifesto so will struggle at a GE. But they will have a manifesto if there was going to be a GE. They are working on one now.

Here is how I feel a GE would go....

Labour and Tories will have their loyal followers but will lose votes for sure.
The die hard remainers from Labour and Tories will vote for Lib Dems instead.
Those from Labour and Tories who are obsessed about climate change will vote for the Greens instead.
The die hard Brexiteers from Labour and Tories will vote for the Brexit Party instead.

The Greens will have an increase in votes because they will take voters from Labour and Tories because of the climate change topic which has massively grown.
Lib Dems will have an increase in votes because they will take voters from Labour and Tories because they are the main party to remain in the EU.
UKIP will lose pretty much lose all their voters to the Brexit party. Some will be loyal as seen in the European Election but you will see a big decrease in votes.
Brexit Party will take voters from UKIP. Also will take voters from Labour and Tories because they are the main party to make sure we leave the EU.
Change UK will have some voters from Labour and Tories who are loyal to those MP's but they will struggle as seen in the European Elections. They could cost the Lib Dems a majority though.
SNP will do well in Scotland as none of the other parties have done anything to win voters back.
Plaid Cymru will have their own loyal voters but won't do as well as before as would have lost to the Brexit party based on the European Election results.
The Irish parties will all be pretty even with each other and will be hard to call.

I do not believe there will be any strong majority party. It will be very even. The Brexit Party, Lib Dems and the Greens will all do very well and catch up the 2 main parties in Labour and Tories who will lose voters to those 3 parties. Change UK and UKIP may as well give up after the next GE.

This is just an example of how close it could be... Im not saying this is my prediction.

Lib Dems 20%
Tories 18%
Labour 15%
Brexit Party 15%
SNP 12%
Greens 12%
Plaid, Change, UKIP and the Irish parties combined has the remaining 8%

 

Cap'n Jack - what if we've left the EU before the next GE? What will the "Brexit Party" have to do then? Where will their "15%" of the vote go?

My previous post to yours is my thinking on the next GE, particularly if it comes (as it should) after we have left the EU.

I will agree though that if we're still tied to that bloody lot in Brussels before a GE is called, those lobbying totally for one way or another will take a fair proportion of the votes. Otherwise they will fizzle out and voters will migrate back to the traditional parties.

 

I think Lib Dems and Greens would do slightly worse than that prediction but yeah completely agree with your reasoning. Interesting times at least...

 

I agree, if the EU stayed exactly as it is now then probably on balance I would want us to stay in, but it isn’t going to stay as it is, the EU , i believe , will very quickly be even more centralised , with more and more power and decision making being made by by the EU, and less by member states, the longer we stay in the more difficult it will be to leave.

 

this depends on their manifesto and who is in charge … if the Brexit party had not come about then would we have seen UKIP with a similar vote to Brexit? probably winning maybe 20 seats … there were grumblings 8 weeks before the elections peeps might vote UKIP AS OPPOSED TO LABOUR/ CONSERVATIVE!

 

I don’t care what you say, if I say I won’t vote Tory and give that reason that’s my choice. I don’t tell you what or who to vote do I?

 

I don't care if you don't care either, nah nah. I didn't tell you to vote anything, I just gave my opinion on a thread about opinions.

You can agree or disagree with other posters - there's enough of that on here over most subjects and not just football. No need for the handbags.

 

CAREFUL SPARKY you might lose handbags Rods will be full of concrete …

 

Is this London I say this is so wrong.
We are a Christian country not a Muslim country.
London has fallen with this and Khan as Mayor.
We need to be very careful how this country is going.

 

Well I don’t care if you don’t care that I don’t care. (Ain’t there a song lyric here somewhere?)

 

Something along the lines of the title of the song that contains this line..."I'm tired of doing a day job with no thanks for what I do" ???

 

Quoting Katie Hopkins now. Jesus Christ we've reached the bottom of the barrel.

 

Isn’t this because there are a lot of Bangladesh fans over for the cricket? I could be wrong but I can hear similar chanting whilst watching it just now.

Out of interest what has Khan got to do with this? He was born in London.

 

If they're not white then apparently that's a problem.

 

I’m generally interested to know his answer, but in another way I’m hoping it’s not this.

 

Said on Sky Sports Cricket that 60% of tickets sold for the current competition have been sold to British Asians.