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C'mon Ralph and Les admit it, you ****ed up...

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  1. Saints_Alive

    Saints_Alive Well-Known Member

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    The specific screw up i'm referring to is getting rid of an experienced and competent if somewhat steady and safe manager and replacing him with a novice whose only experience was one season at a small club in Spain. It was and has proved to be a gamble that has backfired and one the was wholly unnecessary to take.
     
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  2. Channonfodder

    Channonfodder Rebel without a clue.....

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    Steady and safe? Perhaps, but it was dull as ditchwater to watch. The results have not gone our way, but objectively, we are showing more enterprise. Last season was more about a lack of chances than the poor finishing of now.
     
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  3. fatletiss

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    Not the first half the season Channon. The no chance games came in that last third of a season (from memory)
     
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  4. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    They weren't.
     
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  5. Le Tissier's Laces

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    More enterprise? Not from what I’ve been watching. We’ve regressed from dull and a bit iffy, to dull and hopelessly bad (but with better players).
     
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  6. Schad

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    Last season's team seemed content while passing the ball around pointlessly in midfield.

    This season's team seems petrified while passing the ball around pointlessly in midfield.
     
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  7. Channonfodder

    Channonfodder Rebel without a clue.....

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    Yes, I think that is right. 2017 was not good all round. I didn't particularly want Puel sacked but I wasn't that bothered either- and I don't support any revisionism regarding how much better the football was under him- the last half of the season was dreary.
     
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  8. Saints_Alive

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    The results were a bit better, that's my main point.

    We're in trouble now that was never threatened last season.
     
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  9. Channonfodder

    Channonfodder Rebel without a clue.....

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    Cant disagree with you about that, although our troubles came at the end of last season. How many points above the bottom three did we ultimately finish?
     
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  10. Saints_Alive

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    Dunno, but we were rarely out of the top ten and there ended up being nine clubs between us and the bottom three.
     
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    Saints_Alive Well-Known Member

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    No manager of a club of our size should be sacked after finishing in the top eight and reaching a major cup final, especially with the problems he had with a crowded fixture list and long term injuries, it was a ludicrous decision IMO.

    And after sacking him they should've ensured that they employed a better manager and not gamble on a novice with one season's experience at a minnow club in Spain.
     
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  12. Channonfodder

    Channonfodder Rebel without a clue.....

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    Just looked it up- 12 points clear of Hull, but only six points above Watford who finished in 17th. Fortunately there were 3 teams that bit worse than a very tight group of so-so teams. Hopefully that is true this season, and that we aren't one of them!
     
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  13. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    12 points above Hull in 18th.
     
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  14. Channonfodder

    Channonfodder Rebel without a clue.....

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    Beat you to it!:)
     
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  15. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    By a whisker!
     
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  16. Channonfodder

    Channonfodder Rebel without a clue.....

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    I believe the correct term is Knats Crotchet.
     
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  17. Libby

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    I also fail to see the plethora of chances being created for the majority of this season.
     
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  18. Missing Lambo

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    Am I allowed to like this 3 zillion times? Superbly put.
     
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    - Doing The Lambert Walk Well-Known Member

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    It'd be interesting if someone looked into the following:

    A - Why have I been told that there are certain academy players being pressured into signing with a certain agency?
    B - Why does this agency employ Les Reed's son?
    C - Why are this agency's clients allegedly being paid disproportionately to their academy colleagues?
    D - Why did Les' son only start as an agent when his old man got into a position of more power at Saints?

    Plenty of interesting digging to be done there for someone with the time and wherewithal to do it...

    I've been sitting on it a while with the intention of doing it myself, but if anyone else fancies it - crack on.
     
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  20. Schad

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    I've been banging on about that since you/Beefy first mentioned it. A and B were known to me; C and D weren't. The first two alone are more than enough reason to sack someone, frankly, but adding C and D makes it astonishing that Les is still employed. Who the hell is in charge here? If he isn't merely pressing kids to join his son's agency, but using the club's payroll as leverage, he has to go. That's one hell of an abuse of power.
     
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