Off Topic Political Debate

Bloody Germans....

 

Am I allowed to say Alex Salmond does not look quite so smug now?

 

There is a growing realisation that the chasm in the Labour Party between the controlling Momentum faction and the moderate MPs will finally result in a permanent split. Added to that forced reselection of MPs will encourage those currently in dissagreement with the far left leadership will find a party much nearer to the previously electorally successful Blairites. They may well be bolstered by a small number of Tory rebels more suited to the ailing Lib Dems.
The real winners will be the Conservatives who reunite extremely well when faced with the chance of being out of government.

 

The splits in the Labour Party are less along the lines of Momentum vs. Blairite moderates SH. because this has all been overshadowed by Brexit. Judging on how MPs have voted on Brexit issues the following approximation emerges:
Front Bench and Party loyalists - Officially in favour of a new tariff free customs union and close ties to the single market. Priorities are a General Election with a second referendum coming into play only if all else fails. The numbers here are estimated at 129 MPs.

Against another referendum: 25 MPs (based on voting behaviour) - includes both remainers from leave voting constituencies, and Brexiters.

People's vote campaign: 89 MPs (overall number may be higher) - this is the one which has the backing of Party members, 72% of whom want Corbyn to back a second referendum.

Brexiteers: 9 MPs (3 of these voted with TMs first withdrawal agreement).

Norway Plus : Spearheaded by Lucy Powell and Stephen Kinnock - unknown what level of support this has. In June 75 MPs defied the party whip to vote in favour of remaining in the EEA. Some of these also back a second referendum.

As I said earlier the Momentum vs Blairite conflict has taken a back seat lately with positions being taken only on the Brexit debate. Labour must conduct internal referendums on these various points - because it appears that the party membership is at odds with those sitting in Westminster. Party members want Labour to take a much bolder stand against Brexit - particularly the younger members who Corbyn is reliant upon, and, particularly, amongst Momentum members. He cannot continue biting the hand that feeds him.

 

Momentum v the moderates will be the main cause of a split in the LP if it happens. The loony left, a la Michael Foot politics, will ensure the Tories will ride through their rough patch relatively unscathed. Already large swathes of new LP members have become disillusioned and left the party, on a downward curve now.

 

I admit that many have left the party recently though I can hardly be aware of their personal reasons. I would hazard a guess by saying that these are people who are frustrated with Corbyn's Brexit stance (or lack of it), and has nothing to do with a left - right split.

 

https://www.not606.com/threads/political-debate.275757/page-462

 

Got to say John Barnes has changed his tune , he’s gone way up in respect for his support of Sterling when he was being slated by the tabloids and now with his support of liam neeson and his admittance of unconscious bias , he was very good on sky with their mealy mouthed interviewer , barnes has come from a relatively privileged background and used to side with the tories , i’m sure he may have revised that !

 

I expect the vast majority of multi millionaire footballers vote Conservative. Barnes is a smart lad, he's bound to be a fellow Tory.

 

According to the latest poll dissatisfaction in Jeremy Corbyn has risen to the highest level on record for an opposition leader, even surpassing Michael Foot as the worst ever.

 

I assume that even SH will not even be wanting to associate himself with the Tory Sir Christopher Chope MP.

 

So you're basically admiting that voting Tory benefits rich people?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ll-halts-fgm-protection-law-christopher-chope

Tories gonna Tory.

 

The behaviour of this MP is really shocking....

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It's taking use of Parliamentary procedure to levels of pedantry that are beyond belief. And it's all the worse because the Bill had cross Parliamentary support.

I think he has had a point in the past - if something's going into statute it needs full scrutiny but as I understand it (only from what I read in some of the coverage of this) this bill would have done so. Probably also worth pointing out that he doesn't block every PMB.....

Maybe there is some justification for his behaviour - I can't bloody find it though!

 

Yes, as well as the rest of the population. This is why the UK public keeps preferring the Tories to the opposition.

 

But you claim Labour gives away money to poor people, who constitute a majority in this country. Make your mind up.

Also, no comment on Mr Chope? If a Labour MP had done something similar you'd be plastering this thread with links to your comics.

 

They don't 'prefer' the Tories to the opposition SH. Can we be absolutely clear about that - because the 'opposition' means all those parties sat on the other side of the chamber which, collectively, always have more votes than the government of the day. All you have to do to stay in office is to please 37-38% of those who actually vote and rely on the fact that the vote against you is spread of several parties. Bearing in mind that those parties are all slightly left of centre you have a skewed result. To use your favourite term - the 'Natural Government' would be a left of centre coalition.

 

The electorate prefer the Tories which is why they have controlled the UK's government since 2010. Labour have lost the last three elections and the Lib Dems have returned to being an irrelevance with hardly enough MPs to fill a minibus.

 

Wrong, I correctly claim that Labour are incompetent with finances. The Tories are not perfect but are clearly the best option especially given the state of the current opposition party.

Mr Chap is an oddball prat, there are several in all parties.