Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Manchester United

This summer, MP didn't want the players that we could afford. We didn't have the money for the ones he wanted - N'dombele was the one, with Grealish as a punt and to deal with a lack of home grown players.

I think everyone knew that our central midfield was declining but in that Catch 22, the only option is to sell an Eriksen or Son and spend that money. Maybe that's the answer? Maybe this summer we'll sell a Coutinho to buy a VvD and Alisson but last summer a call was made to soldier on with what we had.

Everyone at the club is working against our experiences of buying Vinnie, GKN, Llorente and getting stuck with players that MP doesn't want and won't use. You'll have that with Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Batshuayi, Barkley, Zappacosta, etc......but your owner will just loan in more money.

 

because without him none of the past 13 years happens.

City and Chelsea are richer than God so do as they please. Similarly United.
Liverpool have had their troubles over the past 10 years and Arsenal are experiencing problems...all are massively richer than us because of their owners (city and Chelsea) their higher profile world wide (all of them)
much bigger grounds (all of them) years of CL football (all of them).

Without addressing these issues no club can sustain a serious challenge.
Blackburn won the title but fell off a cliff...Newcastle attempted to challenge but struggled to maintain it...Leicester won the title but could not build on it and have droppedright back.

Spurs are trying to address both the crowd size and world profile with the new ground and have some how managed to qualify 3 times for the CL in a row ... other than the "big five" I think maybe only Newcastle have done that ... 20 years ago.

plenty have tried to spend their way to success in the past 25 years and have done so without it being properly costed, funded or sustainable.
Just look at Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds, Pompey, Coventry, Sheffield United, Charlton, Blackburn, Villa, Wimbledon, Swindon, Notts Country, Bradford, Sunderland, Blackpool, Bolton, Wigan, Stoke, Ipswich, Swansea, QPR, Hull Forest, Birmingham, Derby, Boro, West Brom and Newcastle ...
Leicester and Southampton have recovered but both went into receivership.

That's 29 clubs and only Notts County, Swindon and Sheffield United were not premier league regulars at some point.

I have banged on about it before so I am aware it's boring but clubs do mess up big time ... people only tend to remember Leeds and Portsmouth but lots screw up by "taking a risk" ... we went down that route in the 1980s and it cost us dearly but it could have been a lot worse...I do not want us to repeat that experience do I prefer to do what we are doing.
I f th at means 2 steps forward 1 step back, 2 steps forward 1 step back etc then do be it...this method has worked really well while other methods have caused untold damage to clubs and their fans (and the local communities).

 

We will have a massive increase in ticket sales and from the NFL revenue ... that will be a huge financial difference for us so we will not be soley dependent on CL money...that's why the new ground was the only way to go.

CL football is not sustainable in a 36,000 size ground ... May work in some countries but not here.

 

Other clubs that have destructed financially...

Liverpool under Hickes and Gillette;
Chelsea under Bates were days from going bust;
Leicester when they built their new stadium;
Southampton when they built their new stadium;
Sunderland, Newcastle before Ashley, Leeds, Wolves, Palace, Brighton, and on and on and.......

Spurs now have an income in the Top 10 of world football and a stadium to keep us there but we need to service an enormous debt to do it. It's progress we were a million miles away from under Sugar and Scholar. Some on here would do well to remember.

 

I mean the money raised from using it in the future would help us spend more without failing FFP...if that makes sense

 

You really need to take into account what Brian and RCL are saying they both have long and close knowledge of the club. They are spelling out the true position. We all want Spurs to be top dogs (can't find a cat!) but you have to face the real world that football operates in. Leeds United are about to return to the PL they were number one in England for a number of years. They got into the CL felt their squad needed strengthening invested money and went bust. They have languished in the lower divisions ever since, now it seems they are about to return. They paid a massive price for 'strengthening' their squad.

 

Yep, that makes more sense now. I will point out though that match day revenue is a very small part of a clubs financial standing. The only way to go is sponsorship and that comes with profile and success.
All PL clubs have the TV money, some (including you) have CL money so that is standard among the top 4/6 teams, after that you have to generate what you can from other sources.
A successful club has a great negotiating team which can bring in the sponsorship and keep the money flowing, does Levy work on this side of things?

 

All of that has improved beyond recognition in the past 15 years or so.

As for the crowd issue the increase of 25,000 extra fans will be enormous for us ... it's approx 70% more and some will be high end corporate stuff which will raise a bucket load.

 

Anyhow...late now...sleep tight my fellow spurs...get your rest...only 6 days of arguing until Fulham away

 

In the last 2 years Spurs have attracted Nike, Audi, EA Sports, Heiniken and others. They'll all be sponsoring bits of a stadium that's truly unique and will be used for the 2 richest teams sports in the world.

WHL set an artificially low ceiling for the club. Those businesses wouldn't have come near nor by us, previously. Football, NFL, boxing, E-Sports, concerts at the best stadium in Europe will bring in so much more than football revenue.

The stadium build will also include 550 luxury appartments, a hotel, an already built supermarket. It's a lot bigger than the press report.

 

Do the appartments, hotel and supermarket put funds into THFC?
Are the NFL, Boxing and Concert dates signed for?
There are an awful lot of venues around London and Levy will have to be competitive with his pricing, can he do that?
It looks like a very nice stadium but at the end of the day it's just that to other people. Concert and boxing organisers will go for the biggest venue (most punters) at the cheapest price and most profit.
Aren't you in competition with Wembley for the NFL franchise?

 

Yes;

Give us a chance, the ****ing thing's not open yet but we have a long-standing relationship with AEG, who own the O2 in Greenwich and will partner up on this, like they did on the Stratford bid. There are lots of stadiums but none with what ours' has - proper wi-fi throughout, HUGE screens, proper sound for concerts, etc.;

Not so, promoters are now settling significant claims against them for the appalling sound at Wembley and The White Elephant. Adele has refused to play Wembley again. When there's a decent option which you can use for a few days without ruining the pitch, it'll start to become the preferred venue - plus see AEG., Spurs have talked about being competitively priced to win business. I know it's shocking but this has been researched.

Not really. The bloke on the BBC NFL show has said our stadium's light years ahead of Wembley and they all know it. Wembley's a temporary option. Our stadium is the only game in town for a permanent home. The NFL have been paying for the extra-large dressing rooms, pitch, etc.

 

OK, questions answered, cheers.

 

Maybe we are just honest about how much Levy gets? I am sure that the people in similar positions at City United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal receive similar amounts to Daniel, but my guess is that some of its is hidden in properties, freebies and tax avoidance schemes.

 

It was so one sided in the second half, if it had been a boxing match the ref would have stopped it. How the hell didn't we win that.?

 

If we paid Levy nothing at all we could give all the players a 6% pay rise or sign one 50m player. We've got the best chairman by far - and he deserves everything he has been paid. I doubt he'll even get a bonus this year....because of the stadium delays. On the pitch is most important and we've got the best team we've had for 50 years.

 

Simple. Spurs always struggle against teams that park the bus, which is what Utd did in the second half.

 

This game just confirms how fickle football results can be. As in life luck plays a huge part in the difference between success and failure. You have to have something about you to recognise and take advantage of the luck when it appears but if it isn't there the job is much harder.

 

No
https://www.statista.com/statistics...ranked-by-most-expensive-season-ticket-price/

Bless them, they found a way to finish ahead of us for a change...

 

There's a surprise...