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  1. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator
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    About time...

    Diving bans: Football Association expected to approve retrospective action

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    Players who dive in English football could face bans from next season.

    The Football Association will vote on retrospective action at its annual general meeting on Thursday and is expected to approve the proposal.

    The governing body would need the backing of the Premier League, the English Football League and the Professional Footballers' Association to introduce the rule change.

    But it is understood they are broadly supportive and already in agreement.

    Under the proposed new rules, a panel would review footage from the weekend each Monday looking for cases of simulation. Any player unanimously found guilty of diving would be given a suspension.

    Speaking in December, Burnley manager Sean Dyche said he thought diving would be eradicated from football "in six months" if retrospective bans were introduced.

    Such bans have been in place in Scottish football since 2011.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39962886
     
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    Excellent news <ok>
     
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  3. bum_chinned_crab

    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

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    Only 10 years behind Serie A.
     
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  4. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator
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    To be fair, they started diving much earlier...
     
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  5. bum_chinned_crab

    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that Franny Lee was steady on his feet.
     
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  6. originallambrettaman

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    Now formally agreed...

    THE FA HAS EXTENDED ITS POWERS TO PUNISH SIMULATION RETROSPECTIVELY FROM NEXT SEASON
    Thursday 18 May 2017

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    The FA will be able to punish player simulation retrospectively during the 2017-18 season

    The FA has extended its powers to punish simulation retrospectively.

    A new offence of ‘Successful Deception of a Match Official’ will be in force from the start of the 2017-18 season, after the regulation change was approved by The FA Council today [18 May] and following a period of consultation with stakeholders over the past few months.

    Where there is clear and overwhelming evidence to suggest a match official has been deceived by an act of simulation, and as a direct result, the offending player’s team has been awarded a penalty and/or an opposing player has been dismissed, The FA will be able to act retrospectively under its Fast Track system.

    Where retrospective action could be taken:
    • Where an alleged act leads to a penalty
    • Where an alleged act leads to a straight red card for an opponent
    • Where an alleged act leads to a dismissal of an opponent [where the alleged act led to the opponent receiving either one of the two cautions]
    A panel consisting of one ex-match official, one ex-manager and one ex-player will be asked to review all available video footage of the incident independently of one another and then advise The FA as to whether they believe it was an offence of ‘Successful Deception of a Match Official’. Only in circumstances where the panel are unanimous would The FA charge the individual concerned.

    This process would be similar to the one used now for a red card offence [violent conduct/serious foul play/spitting at an opponent] which was not seen at the time by the match officials but caught on camera. In this situation, three ex-elite match officials review all the available video footage independently of one another and then advise The FA as to whether they believe it was an offence worthy of instant dismissal.

    In accepted and/or proven cases of simulation and/or feigning injury, the offending player would receive a two-match suspension.

    Although attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled is a cautionable offence for unsporting behaviour, the fact that the act of simulation has succeeded in deceiving a match official and, therefore, led to a penalty and/or dismissal, justifies a more severe penalty which would act as a deterrent.

    Should a charge of ‘Successful Deception of a Match Official’ be admitted or found proven, the Independent Regulatory Commission will have the power to rescind the caution or dismissal received by the opposing player as a result of the simulation if it chooses to do so.

    The Fast Track system for dealing with incidents retrospectively, which was brought in by The FA for the start of the 2004-05 season, enables disciplinary cases to be dealt with prior to the offending player’s next competitive game.

    http://www.thefa.com/home/news/2017/may/18/fa-to-punish-simulation-retrospectively-180517
     
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  7. PLT

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    So it only applies when a player has been successful in winning either a penalty or getting someone sent off? What about the other 95% of the time, where nothing is given cos the ref isn't absolutely certain of a dive?
     
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    there'd be about 50 cases per match to deal with
     
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  9. GlassHalfHull

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    Thought for a minute the thread said "driving". I suppose I should refer to the "signs of growing old" thread.
     
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    I don't think a 2 game suspension will stop players diving to win a penalty.

    The reward (potentially 3 points) far outweighs any punishment.
     
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    Somewhat sexist.
     
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  13. PLT

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    When this was discussed before my concern was it didn't seem to be anything tangible. Just a load of wishy washy statements about being inclusive and diverse. I see that hasn't changed.
     
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    If the penalty decision is proved to be a dive the goal should be cancelled. Once you've won one nil with a dodgy pen you don't give a dam about a fine or one game ban.
     
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    Has it had an impact on diving in Italy or Scottishland then?
     
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    I've seen highlights on SSN of Scottish football & they still dive. Didn't even know it was banned up there.
     
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    I'd say it has for Italy. For me it's noticeable how there's less there than here and when it does happen they're quick to hand out the bans.

    Unless it's a Juve player, obvs.
     
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    I thought you saw Marshall play, certainly worked with him. :bandit:
     
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    Valid point - he did seem to have an aversion to doing it.
     
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    You'll be needing one of these :bandit:
     
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