a bob, 5p, and if i want to banter or wum, i shall do so. perhaps the gas may put a few results together that may prevent overbanter wumming etc, it is in your hands or your players feet and heads. and why is the captain so fed up, is it because of a driving school, i do h0pe i have not caused any offence, as all my banters are in the best possible taste and indeed collectors items, ask chris as some of his banters are priceless. finally may i express my appreciation of the excellent jobs done by your moderators and i am sure kds and jenny may express equal praise or not. floreat salopia