Off Topic Coronavirus and NOTHING to do with football thread

No 3 in your list is the one that in many ways is the most important cologne. We know that regionally there are probably different levels of infection, yet the UK is only able to guess at the overall rate. There used to be a very good public health system based on the counties at one time. Unfortunately that has largely been broken up by the spending cuts. The reporting method of GPs when they noticed an outbreak of a disease in their town often gave an early warning of what was happening, and meant that measures could be put in hand before the situation was out of control.
There is another side to this though which is not local, but global. Some parts of the world are only now beginning to see the same sort of infection rates that swept through Europe. Isolation certainly helps, but some studies suggest that it will not be eradicated totally worldwide, meaning it could come back at any time. The more that global trade and travel take place the greater the risk. Certainly travel to the USA would not be a good idea for the foreseeable future.

 

Talking about tracking and tracing people I have just seen this.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...sons-test-and-tracing-system-britain-lockdown

 

Read this summary with care.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52858392

or this:


https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-29...o-ease-lockdown-amid-fears-over-warm-weekend/


very top scientists....................................

 

Dominic Cummings' father-in-law pontificating on class and breeding - aka eugenics, one of the drivers behind Tory policy.

A part from the nonsense he's spouting, what I find alarming is how the two of them look so alike - more like father and son. Some sort of inbreeding going on?

 

Absolutely agree. But when you allow bureaucrats into scientific meetings in the first place then it could be argued that the UK has at best paid lip service to "the science".
Scientists need to be able to work unhindered and report to the politicians who make the decisions with it being their responsibility. This lot, led by their unelected schyster in chief, have muddied the water.

 

Having watched the latest briefing, I came to the conclusion that I couldn't care less if horse racing returns tomorrow. I also had the impression from Van-Tam with the number of times he said we are at a very dangerous moment, that he tends to agree with the experts who are saying that this is too soon without a track and trace system already proven to be working. It has been pointed out that when the UK entered lockdown the figures were not as bad as they are today, so there is no medical reason to change yet. Still Van-Tam was the first of the TV experts to break ranks and say that the rules applied to Cummings as much as anyone else. Clear what he thought about this shambles.

 

Multiple reports tonight that all of the rules laid down have been ignored. Just move on and start a 2nd wave. Crazy behaviour.

 

At the odd time of 10:00pm last night, Johnson suddenly announced that 2.2 million high-risk people who had been shielding at home were free to go outside as from Monday. Which begs the question - why? More murderous intent or was it to deflect attention away from something else revealed yesterday?

Something like yet another damaging revelation about Dominic Cummings - such as this?

https://universalcreditsuffer.com/2020/05/31/cummings-spare-cottage-without-planning-permission-and-pays-no-council-tax/

 

Revenge can take many forms - here's Jennifer Arcuri taking hers...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jennifer-arcuri-warns-against-using-22113921

 

James O'Brien making a valid point about BoJo last week.

 

It really is becoming difficult to understand what is going on. SAGE minutes were released from the early days of this crisis only this week. Not had time to read them yet, but if reports are true then England had the capacity to test five people a day in March. Yes five only, which is why the decision was taken to stop any testing. Even if the government had only briefly glanced at the reports given to them the year before they would have known this was a dangerous situation, yet they did nothing.
For over a week now there have been no numbers given for the quantity of people tested. What has gone wrong? There has always been a suspicious discrepancy between tests sent out or taken and the actual number of people tested, which has led to questions being to be asked. Strange that after the questions started, the numbers stopped.
Now we find out that this world beating track and trace system is nothing of the sort. It has been described as a few disparate bits and pieces put together in the hope that it might work. Public health officials up and down the country are saying it is useless in its current form. So despite it not working, the government stating it is a vital cog in the fight against the virus, the decision is taken to "free" people as a means of talking about something different. Already thousands of lives have been lost that could have been avoided, so is the message now that a few thousand more will not matter if it saves the skin of a PM and his advisor?

 

I would love to know how any Johnson fan can refute what he says.

 

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Have we now reached level 1 as sports events and the vulnerable can leave home?

 

We have had a week of a partial lifting of the lockdown, and although nothing to yet get too worried about there has been an increase in the number of cases. The lockdown started earlier here, and only next Tuesday is it proposed to lift it a little more. As of tomorrow the UK will be further down the road towards lifting the restrictions than we are. We are told tonight that the UK government is taking note of what is happening in other countries. It is hard to believe when evidence is there to suggest that move too fast and you will have further deaths. Raab said that the UK is still at level 4, so why is it rushing all this through?

 

Crazy... And of course people massing in popular destinations today...

 

The uk government may be taking note of what is happening in other countries in as much as Germany loosening its restrictions may have brought pressure on other countries to do the same - but Germany was at a much further stage when it did this ie. the number of active cases here is now about a tenth of the figure it was at the peak of the outbreak. Britain is nowhere near this stage. Also, the releasing of official restrictions has made little difference to the behaviour of the population - this could be down to levels of communication.

 

Been speaking to my French next door neighbour this evening who had been on a visit to his daughter in the UAE when he had a message from the Embassy telling him that he had to come back immediately. He caught an arranged flight and landed in Paris, only to be locked down there for two months. Although he had all his plans really messed up he has praise for the clear messages that have come from the PM. He like me is of an age that requires us to be careful, and I think that we are both quite clear of the rules and regulations. From what I heard this evening the UK are starting to say use your common sense. Seeing pictures at some of the popular spots by the sea, I would have to ask just how much sense the government can rely on.

 

Laws are only necessary because people can't regulate things for themselves Frenchie - if all smokers had always avoided inflicting their smoke on others there would never have been a law about it. The same is true in this - if it wasn't safe to go shopping without a mask on friday then it isn't today, whatever the law may say. Unfortunately there isn't much common sense around.

 

I wonder if people would pay taxes for the common good if there were no laws to try and enforce them? Interesting concept.

 

A sensible paper from a well regard source that calls on the government to delay the lifting of restrictions.

https://www.adph.org.uk/2020/05/adp...rship-careful-preparation-and-measured-steps/

It has become obvious during the day that the government is ignoring all of the expert advice. I wonder why.