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  1. notDistantGreen

    notDistantGreen Well-Known Member

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    It's being said a referendum question giving 3 options (May Deal, Hard Brexit and Let's Forget The Whole Thing) is too complicated for the electorate.

    My first thought is "how patronising can you get?" and the second is "did they really give the first vote to people they think can't understand the second question?".

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    Well im with you Sensible, if we have a no deal Brexit it Wont be May who gets the blame, These ****ers who are constantly moaning dont give a **** about the people of the country or any Businesses, Do they realise the **** that a no deal will cause.

    To me i wont vote again my vote was to remain, So i think it should be scrapped and stay as we are now .. make these politicans pay back the wasted Billions on Brexit from their pockets,, greedy bastards.
     
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  3. Plymborn

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    What... make MP's pay back the wasted billions....so no renovated duck houses on ponds anymore then.
     
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    I don't care how patronising it sounds but it is an absolute nailed on fact that very very few knew anything about what leaving Europe would mean before the first Referendum. The people involved in it on both sides told more lies than truths and by the day of the vote it was still a case of nobody having a clue. There were some perceived bits of knowledge perhaps but mostly it was only about how many people come over here and steal our money and jobs and houses and medical cover etc. In other words introducing the Race factor just to make sure a lot of people voted to get rid of them. They told lies about the amount of money to be saved and that the NHS would get billions extra and so on. Even now they don't want to spread too much info to the masses and still don't give the facts of anything. But, if there was another vote they would have to this time. People do know more than they did but not enough yet.

    Having another vote with proper informed people voting is the only fair way of doing it. If the vote for out is that strong what are the leavers afraid of? What they fear is that if people who now know more vote again they will see sense and it would be reversed. Personally I would be well up for leaving if it went that way again. No problems then from me. I'm not one for keep voting until I get my way. I just want a fair crack of the whip.

    I notice that Labour don't want a vote of no confidence in the Government this time. Just one on May because if it was the Government and they won it they would be left with the pile of crap themselves and frankly wouldn't have a clue what to do with it. You would think they would know about piles of **** by now having left more than one in their time previously.
     
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  5. notDistantGreen

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    That's the second part of the Brexit tragedy isn't it? That it's taking place when there is no legitimate opposition in Parliament.

    Corbyn and his extreme leftist cronies see the EU as a block on their desire for a Stalinist command and control economy. So they want to leave but for entirely different reasons to the ordinary Leave voter.

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    Ironical ain't it....Comrade Corbyn only put forward as a leadership candidate as a bit of a joke....and because of a lack of quality from the other candidates he found himself voted in.....probably a Tory mole in the party set it up for him to win....so we have a deaf PM unchallenged accept by only the DUP to lead us into a chained version of Brexit.....we're crying out for a new centre party to shake some life into the Palace of Westminster and get this SNP squarking rabble off our back.
     
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    Corbyn was made leader and is maintained there by a malign group of extremists in the Momentum group and the unions, stand up Len McCluskey.

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  8. sensiblegreeny

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    I tuned into the ITV news this evening for the main rather than local. What was announced when the bell went bong..................never mind anything else going on in the country or world today it was that Man U had sacked their manager. The second item was to be leaving the EU with a no deal. Now correct me please if I'm wrong but does anyone outside of the plastic brigade and Manchester give a flying fig if Jose is employed or not. How can that possibly be more important than how or when we leave the EU? Jose will leave his job with a few million in compensation. Anyone who loses their job due to leaving the EU will probably be thrown out with nothing or next to nothing. You have to feel sorry for him though don't you the poor lad.
     
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  9. Plymborn

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    His few £million seems to be £18 million....I thought I must have miss heard....poor old Jose he'll be down the soup kitchen this Christmas....of course some of his miss firing players earn more than that to just warm the bench.

    Jose pay off could pay for literally 3 Grandstand refurbishments.....how the other half live.
     
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  10. notDistantGreen

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    Brexit or theYemen ceasefire or China's bullish statement on one party politics and world trade aimed squarely at Trump...

    Still, the press love a story with a human face.

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    Meant to type this post last night after the pub. I met a workmate of my son's tonight (or rather yesterday now). He's from Bulgaria. Where my son works there are only 2 of them that carry the flag for their Department. I was in the Navy when my son was born so no matter where in the World I was he wouldd be English. As it happens I was in Gillingham. (Poor sod doesn't have much choice in football teams). So in his work place there is one English person and one Bulgarian. I have to tell you that my sone hold him in high regard. He is a bleddy hard worker and is never late for work or a shirker. He has been here 7 years and been employed paying British taxes for 7 years. He was a bleddy nice bloke. Could take a joke and didn't mind the rest of us gate crashing their Christmas party. Pity he isn't welcome by more people over here.................

    I should add that there were plenty of other groups present in the pub and at times I didn't know where to look. The various states of undress some were in brought a shiver down my spine. They would catch a death of cold dressed like that outside. My son said I should just look straight ahead no matter what or he would tell his mother....................(I've never liked him)
     
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    I can say the same for the Poles Sensible, with whom I worked closely for a year or two, albeit in their country and before the joined the EU. A lovely lot, had working and the time, desperately keen to join the the EU and as they saw it, rejoin their natural friends in the West after years under the Russian thumb.

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    Did anyone else watch the C4 drama "Brexit, The Uncivil War", starring Benedict Comberbatch? If not, very alarming and surprisingly, entertaining.

    It shows the official Remain campaign losing miserably by conducting a facts-based, public domain campaign limited by the need to deliver what was said in subsequent government via traditional channels to electorally active voters.

    By comparison both the official Leave campaign, masterminded by Dominic Cummins, and the unofficial one funded by Aaron Banks and led by Nigel Farage, both used innovative and at best borderline legal techniques to find disaffected non voters who they bombarded with 1 billion (yes billion) bespoke and secretive messages targeted at each individual's fears and prejudices. As their messages couldn't be seen by regulators, the press or the general public, they felt able to say what they liked unfettered by the facts.

    These same techniques were then deployed in the US presidential election, using the same hackers and under the influence of the shadowy American billionaire Robert Mercer, who donated Cambridge Analytica's data mining services to the Banks/Farage campaign.

    Before anyone dismisses this as media luvvies doing a bit more Remoaning, the Daily Telegraph itself described what it showed of how the British political system had been compromised during the Referendum campaign as "alarming".
     
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    I see Chris Grayling has started his own Project Fear by saying that a failure to leave the EU would lead to right wing extremism and racial violence.

    Not saying that everyone who voted Leave was a fascist but if what he says is true, it certainly shows what the driving force behind the Leave campaign was.

    How it compares with vast and peaceful Remain demonstrations.

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  15. Plymborn

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    He's an MP notDistant they're all lying at the moment.....back Theresa May or the facists and racists will take over that's what he's saying....all part of the remainers 'project fear'.

    Even Land Rovers problems are down to Brexit.....nothing to do with 90% of their vehicles being diesel or the Chinese market tailing off.
     
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    "they are all lying at the moment"

    And the time that they weren't about leave/remain was...........?
     
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    I give up sensible.....was it about the time Cameron ran away from the mess he left....the morning after.....how has he got away scot free from any responsibility....does anyone now the answer to that.
     
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  18. sensiblegreeny

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    The answer is there isn't a time because they have all lied all of the time. Don't blame Cameron for leaving the building. His attitude was you idiots voted out so feck off and sort it out yourselves. I wouldn't blame May for doing the same either. She negotiated a leave agreement which is what was required and everyone squealed like a stuck pig. You wanted out and you are getting out. Nobody said what out there was going to be or knew even what one could look like. They could all do a far better job from the safety of the sidelines. Not one of those telling us what we could have had Jim Bowen style are ever going to get the chance to show us how it should be done.
     
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  19. notDistantGreen

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    The trouble is, I think he's right. The extreme right and populist demogogs are on the rise. Just look at Trump and Erdogan in Turkey.

    Racial violence have been on the rise in this country since the Leave campaign gave it ligitimacy to those ready to receive it. We're starting to see it at football grounds again where a yob culture still hides in the shadows, providing ready made foot soldiers.

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    Please, please a bit of sanity here.....'racial violence has risen in this country since the Leave campaign gave it legitimacy', poppycock with knobs on....that is totally insulting and leads to just what your complaining about....17.4 million racist in this country then notdistant....check under your bed tonight before you go to bed.

    That means that the high number of Brexit voters in Plymouth must make it a no go area for remainers like yourself notDistant....project fear from remainers again, don't they ever accept the result of the referendum....do we need another...or best of 3 or 5 or 7................
     
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