Off Topic Political Debate

And your opinion if Garnier is ?

 

Sex scandals often bring down Tory MP's, sometimes the odd Liberal. Labour MP's specialise in defrauding the public with their dodgy expenses.

 

If that was true , it would simply be irrelevant. However it is not true. Deflecting the point is a Trump speciality- your mentor perhaps.
Nevertheless, I must congratulate you on breathtaking hypocrisy- but considering how often you practise it why am I surprised?

 

Labour not only the party of defrauders but now it seems serious sexual assault cover up.

Sex scandal spreads to LabourActivist says she was raped by senior party figure but told not to report her ordeal

 

This hardly seems to me to be an issue where anyone can make it a political issue. It has been reported that forty Tory MPs are under investigation, something that could be just as embarrassing for them. Whatever is going on it is not really acceptable from any party.

 

Currently doing the rounds of social media - said to be The List - the inappropriate sexual behaviour one that could cause the government to fall.

Some interesting names on it - like Amber Rudd...

 

oh poor luvvies ....those long days, away from home etc etc... my heart bleeds for them

 

Our ' friend' spends too much time believing the Mail headlines

 

What a strange list ! It includes many perfectly legal activities such as having an affair or visiting prostitutes together with other activities which involve misuse of power and coercion. How can they all be lumped together in this way ? Personally I am not remotely interested in the private sex lives of politicians - however bizarre they may be, as long as they are not misusing anyone then it is their thing entirely. In other countries (such as Russia) it would be expected. I have no interest in the nocturnal activities of someone who has a taste for men wearing women's perfume - as long as the whole thing is consensual. Some of the 'cases' on the list tell us more about British prudery than anything else.

 

Quite right ... and a good reminder for us not to get carried away by this sensationalism

 

Maybe so, but it is when it leads to beliefs like this that problems arise - problems such as them viewing themselves above the law.

http://evolvepolitics.com/tory-mp-says-drunk-mps-not-accused-rape/

Tory MP Michael Fabricant Says Drunk MPs Should Not Be Accused of Rape or Sexual Assault

 

I did say 'as long as they are not misusing anyone' BB. As far as I am concerned anything between 2 consenting adults is private, and what I found problematic with the list was that it didn't differentiate between cases. It lumped people who occasionally visit a prostitute or have an extra marital affair etc. etc. along with out and out sexual offenders.

 

Sir Micheal Fallon has resigned as Defence Secretary following the release of the list.

 

Not really interested in what they get up to until things get into strange areas. I remember that John Profumo and Christine Keeler were having an affair, but it became the end for him when it turned out she was also having an affair with Yevgeni Ivanov, someone attached to the Russian Embassy in London, and someone involved in espionage.
Ms Hartley-Brewer reacted with shock to the announcement, writing on Twitter: "Bloody hell. Sir Michael Fallon has just resigned as Defence Secretary."
She added that "I doubt my knee was the reason" for the resignation.

 

I do not deny that sex is sometimes an important part of espionage Frenchie, but that is rarely the case. In the normal course of events a politician, or other public figure, can be absolutely destroyed by revelations about their sex life. Moving outside of politics look at how Frank Bough was publically destroyed, and why ? For something which was entirely private and didn't hurt anyone. We are such prudes in Britain - if you made revelations about a Russian politicians sex life they would just say 'so what' and carry on with their jobs. The same is true in the USA. If Clinton had just said 'So I had a blow job in the White House - what of it ?' and carried on then history might have taken a different course.

 

I am not really disagreeing with you cologne, but I do think that there is a culture saying poor behaviour to some can be wrong. When I ran a company I had two very attractive young ladies working for me, and although this is probably twenty years ago now, I was always aware that as the boss I shouldn't put them in a difficult area. I think it would have been unfair to have put them in a position where their jobs depended on them being "nice" to me. I suspect that some of this has, is, been going on in Westminster.

 

Obviously if there is any sort of power relationship going on then it is revolting Frenchie - all hierarchy is alien to me, as you probably know, and misuse of power is the worst of all. There are many cases of this sort, but unfortunately there are many other kinds of sexual deviation which get thrown into the same pot - particularly when it applies to politicians.

 

So the crisis within the government lurches on. Tory MPs unhappy that Gavin Williamson who would have been consulted over Micheal Fallon, appears to have stabbed him in the back, then gets appointed to the job.

An MP formerly loyal to May: “she had a golden opportunity to do the right thing and appoint the right people to the right jobs. She’s just blown it and exposed herself as weaker than any of us thought. She’s being controlled by young men in suits. I now despair”.

 

Not only that, it appears that he may not exactly be the right person for the job - given his apparent lack of support for members of the armed forces & their families. Or is that actually in line with the Tory plan?

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24729/gavin_williamson/south_staffordshire/divisions?policy=6706

 

Not enough is being done to find almost 56,000 absconded foreign nationals due to be deported, a report has said. .The Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration said efforts to monitor a further 80,000 foreign offenders and illegal immigrants was being "seriously compromised" by Home Office failings. The 56,000 missing people includes cases dating back to 2009.

Unless they have committed an offence, these are not EU nationals. What will change under this PM? A lot of the Home Office failings were on her watch.