Pre-Season Testing 2020

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  1. ched999uk

    ched999uk Well-Known Member

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    Interesting that Kubica is fastest on day 4 of testing. He had a hard time beating his team mate last season. I think it shows just how bad the current testing times are of indicating true performance.
     
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    I know it’s hard to read into any times but I read an interview with Lando Norris yesterday. They were asking him about where he thinks McLaren are me whilst he wouldn’t give anything away, he said they can see clearly on the GPS where Mercedes are so far ahead.

    Unless the Red Bull is amazing, I genuinely think Merc will be at least a second ahead if everyone else. Especially with this steering ace up their sleeve.

    We may not even have a title battle outside of Hamilton v Bottas.
     
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    On top of that the Ferrari looks pretty bad unless there is huge sandbagging going on. The Red Bull looks very handy though.
     
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    If racing point/tracing point/copy point/pink Merc have complied with rules I think they have played a blinder. They seem to have not just copied 2019 Merc but also understood and tweeked it. Which hopefully has saved them funds that can be invested into next year's reg changing car. It almost wasn't worth investing in their 2019 car. By using a copy of the 2019 Merc they will be understanding the low rake concept that I guess Merc will stick with for 2020. So they might be well placed using Merc 2020 gearbox etc.
     
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    Just watched


    Seeing the nose joint to the chassis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my god!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I wonder if Renault found an issue with their 2020 chassis and will have a new spec 2 car in aus? Maybe they are putting all their hopes in 2021 or maybe they are just waiting for the current 2020 concorde agreement to end then they are off?
    They 'according to f1elvis' are using 2019 chassis, in 2021 they wont have any customers to make a few £ on PU from it all looks like a managed decline......
    Feel sorry for the staff if that is the case.
     
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    IMO Mercedes playing with everyone today- I think they are full fuel whilst the others do quali sims.

    Hope I’m wrong!
     
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    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Doesn't come as a surprise to me, it simply illustrates what I've said about Renault, I'd feel sorry for Danny Ricc, but he only has himself to blame.
     
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    True but at least he has a few £££ in the bank :)
     
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    Danny for Ferrari in 2021. Please.
     
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    Binnotto says they will talk about Vettell later in the year and that he ( Seb ) is their preferred choice .
     
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    Interesting announcement from Sky at end of testing.
    From FIA:
    The FIA announces that, after thorough technical investigations, it has concluded its analysis of the operation of the Scuderia Ferrari Formula 1 Power Unit and reached a settlement with the team. The specifics of the agreement will remain between the parties.

    The FIA and Scuderia Ferrari have agreed to a number of technical commitments that will improve the monitoring of all Formula 1 Power Units for forthcoming championship seasons as well as assist the FIA in other regulatory duties in Formula 1 and in its research activities on carbon emissions and sustainable fuels.

    https://www.fia.com/news/fia-concludes-analysis-scuderia-ferrari-formula-1-power-unit

    To me that suggests Ferrari were doing something to break the fuel rules and received a slap on the wrist. Not really surprising that this didn't come out during the 2019 season as they would have had to disqualify Ferrari but investigating after season helps......
    I don't blame Ferrari but breaking as opposed to bending the rules isn't very sporting :)

    Looking forward to watching a few 'drive to survive' tonight :)
     
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    Well that doesn't sound dodgy at all
     
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    please log in to view this image
     
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    Unless Williams were running underweight to attract sponsors, they seem to have lifted themselves off the back of the grid.

    Some decent times being put in and certainly looking stronger than last year to mix it in the midfield.
     
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    The nose is a crude bolt on to the chassis. It says no thought went into that but the final car may look different. There were plenty of other pluses. Yes I am clutching at straws for Danny's sake, who I do not believe had any other choice than to leave Red Bull. Let's see what emerges post testing. The reality is they had a team of a defined size, they could not just outsource something they did not have the time to focus on when other areas may have delivered more result. The test will be if they fix that crudeness and having focused on the other elements the car suddenly gels. I am keeping the faith for Danny.
     
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    I assume you are referring to the Ferrari investigation, if so should I assume that was a touch of sarcasm?

    Totally guilty in my reading of the link.
     
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    Just watched Ted's explanation of Mercs steering. (
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    When I had watched the on board footage earlier in testing it seemed to be a sort of 2 position system. In that there is a release mechanism on steering wheel then drivers pull back to straighten wheels. On approach to braking they pushed back in and get their toe back.
    On looking at this example you can see Lewis pulls back at start of straight, then a little while later he pulls back a little more!!!
    So it looks to me like it is more of a variable toe angle system that drivers adjust to their needs...
     
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    Hmm, to us they're guilty but I'm not sure they were guilty in the eyes of the FIA until RBR asked for clarification to determine if they were guilty or not, much like the Brabham BT46 fan car.

    Personally I love the teams technical cheating, seeing who has been the most devious in rule interpretation is part of the attraction. To me DAS is clearly moveable aero, which is cheating, but it's done in such a devious way that it's not. Ferrari probably overstepped the line, some kind of post sensor reservoir probably, but they all try to do that, it's making sure you don't actually get caught red handed is the key, and Ferrari just managed to wash their hands under the tap.
     
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    I am guessing they were 'fiddling' the fuel flow reading but in a way that was not against the rules just against the 'spirit' of the rules. Maybe something as simple as varying the supply voltage at a certain frequency would make the reading less accurate? As such as long as Ferrari complied with the specified supply voltage there was no rule broken. That sort of thing is my guess, but in a way more complex method :) .
    Lets not forget that Ferrari still have their Veto, so maybe instead of public humiliation Ferrari agreed to help FIA in some other ways and not to use their veto too often :) .
     
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    It's probably something absurd like technically there's no rule about manipulating the output of the fuel flow sensor. Like it's obviously wrong, but you know, someone forgot to make it a rule.
     
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