Match Day Thread Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

I didn't say ppg was unfair I said going down would hardly be unfair given they had 29 games to sort it

 

No, you said what I put in my post, that PPG wouldn’t be unfair.

The fact that 29 games have been played (28 in Villas case) doesn’t make relegating them now in any way fair, given the season is 38 games, it really is that simple.

 

I'd say grossly unfair if a team is 16th after those 29 games.

 

There’s 2 points between 15th and 18th, with Villa 2 points off with a game in hand. The idea that some PPG calculation could send 2 of them down with a quarter of the season left to actually play is ridiculously unfair.

 

If they "deserve the chance to play their way out of trouble" then what is the solution? Certainly not voiding existing results because that's being gifted a way out not playing.

 

In a word... no

 

If the games aren’t played out, then there can be no relegation.

 

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You claimed they should have the chance to play their way out of trouble, which is fine. But if that chance can't exist the fair solution is absolutely not to let them off with their abysmal performances. PPG is definitely more fair than that.

 

Is that a moral or a factual judgement?

 

I don’t agree in the slightest. Not least because I’ve seen my own team be next to bottom with 60 mins of the season left, and we stayed up come the final whistle. You can’t relegate sides from the richest league in the World on averages, it goes against everything the game is supposed to be about.

 

Both.

It’s likely moot anyway, as the games will be played out, barring the virus numbers rocketing again. However, morally it’d be wrong, and it’d result in a legal quagmire, that imo the relegated sides would likely win.

 

I agree with that, but I have to say that Murray's point if they finish off this league and the Championship don't...

Hopefully that will provide the incentive to finish off the Prem, and hope that (in their eyes) the Championship doesn't.

Still bewildered that it's called The FA PREM LIMITED, they have a major share in it, but the FA is not part of The Prem. Trying hard to think of a comparison. Something like the constitution when the Queen can dissolve parliament? Dunno. Freaky. Do know they've null and voided null and void though. That'll do for now.

 

And there it is again! Go on, briefly, why is that the case in your learned opinion?

 

I’ve already stated it, read the thread.

 

The PL is about the 3 worst teams being relegated when the season ends. If it ends early because of a worldwide crisis then that's not ideal, but nothing is ideal in a crisis anyway.

Everton and other teams that escape do it through playing football, not being handed it by a crisis. So your "chance to play their way out of trouble" point stands; if the games to get themselves out of trouble can't be played then they just have to lie in the bed they've already made for themselves.

 

Why should the 3 Championship clubs come up when they’ve achieved nothing yet as there was the season to finish plus the play offs? Why do they somehow deserve promotion and yet the PL sides would be relegated solely by virtue of some yet to be decided PPG calculation? It’s legally illiterate.

 

I don't know what Murray's point was, but in a crisis you just do your best. If logistical reasons make not playing out the Championship feasible (don't see why that should be the case though - not enough car parks?) then they just need to deal with that. Especially since the PL will now be sharing it's restart money with other leagues.

 

They've played good football, which the bottom clubs haven't (apart from Norwich against City). That's why they deserve to replace them.

PPG is an objective calculation based on the actual performances of teams.

The playoff issue is a complication but IMO the simplest and fairest rule is that the playoff gives non-3rd place teams an opportunity to compete for promotion and so if it can't happen the natural result is the 3rd highest team just goes up.

Winning must be rewarded and losing must be punished or the game is finished.

 

And Watford against Liverpool?