Should Knewco be brought to book for the child abuse cover up ?

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  1. Rocket

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    Should they be stripped of titles won during that period ?

    We need only look towards the US to see how they deal with clubs found guilty of beastly acts so surely Knewco should be treated in exactly the same way ?

    Discuss.
     
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    ****sake Rocket ...

    I know ye like a WUM but this is desperate stuff!
     
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  4. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Was Torbett an employee of Celtic FC?
     
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  5. rogueleader

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    I`m not aware of a Prima Facie case to be answered in relation to the allegations of a " cover-up " ; actual documented evidence to support that a" cover-up" was ochestrated would be a reasonable starting point, no?
     
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  6. Medro

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    Yes
     
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  7. Tina_old

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    This board's dying, just like the huns were, before they died.

    Well done <applause><laugh>
     
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  8. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    So you can tell me which role he was in whilst employed by Celtic FC?

    Go for it.
     
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  9. Medro

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    Head of youth relations
     
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  10. Tina_old

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    It's good, but it's not right.
     
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  11. rogueleader

    rogueleader suave gringo

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    I dont like to repeat myself, but...
     
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  12. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Very good, i'll put that down as a "No" then shall I?
     
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  13. Tina_old

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    They're hurtin' bad, Dev.

    You'd think there was more bad news afoot or something <whistle>
     
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  14. DevAdvocate

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    Oh it's desperate times down old Ibrox way, will they won't they get that Golden Licence?

    Tick tock
     
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  15. Medro

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    http://www.thejunglebhoys.net/jb/?p=269

    But what is the truth behind the smear that Big Jock Knew?

    Celtic Boys Club came into existence in 1966 when Jim Torbett, a successful businessman, was granted permission to use the name Celtic by the club&#8217;s chairman Bob Kelly and its manager Jock Stein. This new club was independent of its more famous namesake and started life from a hall in Maryhill. However, Celtic after a while granted the organisation some use of the facilities at Barrowfield for practice and for fixtures.

    John Higgins, whose Celtic career was cut short so tragically through knee injuries, had become a scout for the club and he proposed a closer connection: the Celtic Boys Club would operate an under 16 side which would act as a potential nursery for Celtic. However, not all the youngsters graduating from the Celtic Boys Club were obliged to sign for Celtic; for one example, Alan Brazil, later a Scottish internationalist, decided to join Ipswich Town.

    For many years the General Manager was Frank Cairney, a civil engineering executive and keen Celtic supporter. Throughout its existence the Celtic Boys Club consistently supplied players for Celtic (and other Scottish clubs). Some were to go on and become legends for the parent club: Tommy Burns, George McCluskey, Roy Aitken, Charlie Nicholas and Paul McStay &#8230;

    Despite its apparent success all was not entirely well behind the scenes. Jim Torbett was arousing suspicions with his friendships with some vulnerable youngsters on the Boys Club roll.

    What did Jock Stein know, when did he know it, and what did he do about it?

    According to insider information - and I have heard it from those whose word I would trust - the matter was eventually raised semi-officially inside Celtic Park. Torbett was called to a meeting at the ground. Apparently, Jock Stein - a man whose instincts were invariably right, and a man not noted for his patience - demanded explanations, found them halting and unconvincing and literally kicked the Boys Club founder out the door.

    When I use the word literally, I mean it. I have been assured that Jock Stein kicked him on the backside as he was leaving the room.

    Stein was a straightforward Lanarkshire man, and probably did not have too much sympathy or understanding of homosexuals. What he recognised was that this matter was one which could embarrass the club if it was revealed, and so he acted instinctively to root out the culprit and remove him, permanently he hoped, from the premises and the club.

    In fact, Jock Stein had an even greater incentive than most for dealing with the matter so vigorously; his son George was a promising player and a member of the Celtic Boys Club. Thus, the smears and slurs are entirely unjustified.

    In 1978 Jock Stein retired as Celtic¹s manager and was no longer privy to the ins-and-outs of life at Celtic Park. He would have been shocked to learn that Jim Torbett had insinuated himself back into favour at the ground through friendships with board members who almost certainly were unaware of the past accusations against him.

    In the early 1990s Celtic were stumbling in every sense: on the pitch they were light-years behind their great rivals Rangers, then in the early stages of their nine-in-a-row; in the board room cliques were forming and re-forming depending on the issues; financially, a once-great organisation was slipping towards potential bankruptcy.

    The Celtic Shop, which should have been a money-spinner, was hamstrung through basic inefficiency. Jim Torbett, either volunteered to re-organise it or was invited to do so. One of Torbett&#8217;s successful business interests was The Trophy Shop and his commercial expertise was generally recognised. In fact, he did do some good for the club in re-organising the Celtic Shop and putting it on a secure footing.

    However, his past was to catch up on him and several former Celtic Boys Club players came forward to accuse him of inappropriate conduct with them.

    Later he was to face criminal charges arising out of these relationships, was found guilty and sentenced to jail. This, of course, was manna to those who dislike Celtic and the supporters of some clubs made the most of it for a season or so in the mid 1990s. Gradually, they got tired of it &#8230; until it has re-invented itself with the almost bizarre chant of Big Jock Knew!

    As has been shown, it would be manifestly unfair to blame Jock Stein in any way throughout the affair. When it was pointed out to him, he acted immediately and in a way that he thought entirely appropriate.

    However, Celtic cannot be viewed as entirely blameless. Some youngsters lives were affected adversely, and that is shameful. There had been gossip and speculation about the Boys Club for some time and that should have been investigated thoroughly at the time and dealt with.

    Perhaps those in charge at Celtic Park should have had a less idealistic view of the world. Even worse is the suggestion that some board members may have been involved in a conflict-of-interest situation in that they were actually employed by Torbett in the running of his Trophy Shop. For them it might have been easier not to look too hard into an unfortunate and messy situation.

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    Even these buoys have pointed out that Jock Stein did know, as did other board members and that Celtic employed him.
     
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  16. Tina_old

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    Oh dear <laugh> Check oot the uber beel on medrina <magic>
     
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  17. Medro

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    That's not beelin Big Mon that's Celtic fans saying that Celtic employed Mr Torbett and that Mr Stein did know what was going on.
     
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  18. rogueleader

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    another one checked into The Beelgrove Hotel.
     
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  19. Tina_old

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    What's Martin O'Neill got to do with anything <confused>
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  20. Mind The Duck

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    No it didn't
     
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