The Breakfast Debate / Joint ownership

Good Morning Everyone,

Nigel Gibbs, who was our assistant Manager under Brian McDermott in 2013 has joined Swansea City as Paul Clement's assistant.

Gibbs will be leaving his role as the u19 Spurs Coach with immediate effect.





Hull have sacked Mike Phelan. Hull sit bottom of the Prem following Swansea's win at Palace last night.

Are Hull right to sack their coach?

Have they been punching above their weight for some time?





Monk to @APOPEY: "the club have promised nobody will be sold.. This is Leeds United. Nobody will be leaving." (apply's to first team squad)





Former Leeds player Alan Smith has taken temporary charge at Notts County following the sacking of manager John Sheridan.





Leeds are now 20-1 to finish in the top 2. Newcastle are 1-10 and Brighton are 2-13. Reading 16-1, Owls also 20-1. Huddersfield 22s.

We are 2nd in Championship form table taken over last 8 games (W6, D1, L1). Only 1 point worse than Brighton, 7 better than Newcastle.

 

Morning Elland and all. Hull are one of those clubs like Wigan, Blackburn etc who will likely never see the PL again. They get one shot at it. Damn the Alan Smith story. Hes returning to Leeds in January just like hes done for the last decade. Seriously, isnt it refreshing, were no longer in the market for over the hill journeymen but proper footballers likely to improve our setup. And whens the last time we could say, Im not bothered if we dont sign anyone as current group is so strong as proven by the form guide

 

Morning Eire. January wouldn't be January without an Alan Smith story.

 

Does Nugent count as over the hill Morning everyone.

 

Morning Shaks, nah, he goes into the experienced category! (A bit like us)

 

Speak for yourselves.........

 

Hull are a Sunday pub team that did what many pub teams do and invest in a decent manager and players and reap the benefit of the premiership cash. They will bounce a few times before either going bust or getting established like Southampton, Stoke, Palace, WBA, Swansea ..... Hulls owner wants to sell so Bruce left because he couldnt get money, Phelan takes over and does a great job at the start but hasnt got cash and club sale not happened. Phelan did a good job but greedy idiotic owners think they should be in Champions League for spending fook all. Another club on parachute payments next season (Again)

 

Parachute Payment System:
WBA
B/Mth
S/Hampton
Stoke
Burnley
Watford
Leicester
Middlesbro
Palace
Swansea
Hull

Are all clubs who have benefited and plenty of these clubs will benefit again after getting relegated from the Prem.

Newcastle
Reading
Derby
Norwich
Fulham
Villa
QPR
Cardiff

All clubs benefited from parachute payments and use it to get promoted into the Prem

So over half the clubs in the prem are beneficiaries of parachute money and are all smaller clubs than Leeds, and half the clubs in the Championship are the same if you include Wigan and Blackburn and Wolves. Its a rigged system where club owners are asked to gamble on investing top money to win promotion, get relegated and use parachute money to bounce a couple of times to get established. Bolton & Ipswich failed even though had good owners, it just caught up with them. Clubs who are either sensible or badly run will not do this as risky so they cannot compete as smaller clubs are rewarded for failure. There really does need to be a rethink and maybe Derby/Leeds are right and should try to get some form of breakaway going. After all Leeds is a worldwide club and should be on the pitch with Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd, Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Milan, Benfica ....

 

But we are ahead of the highlighted ones doc. While its unfair, the parachute money guarantees nothing. Villa have so far spent 55m and are not near as good a side as ours. Had this discussion with a couple of Norwich posters a few weeks back and they reckon their money was squandered on a couple of bad signings. A lot of the parachute money after relegation goes towards paying off contracts or continuing to pay PL wages. Read recently that Sunderland have no transfer funds available for January. Wheres all their cash?

 

Morning Stevy boy

 

Morning all, I'm looking forward to the break in league football this weekend, I want us to win in the cup but if we don't no pressure.

 

eire you miss the point mate. As contracts have changed. Penalty clause contracts now used to mitigate exposure to high salaries. So relegation means "tier2" kicks in and players on reduced wage. So parachute payments shouldnt be used in todays football.

In 12 years this is the best weve done and onky because its the first time our owner has supported his manager and left him alone. We should have done back to back promotions years ago but not supported by Bates. So we spend years in doldrums whilst small clubs who did invest spend time in the prem and then get rewarded for being relegated. 4 years of £16m per year is great, when clubs dont even make half that in a normal season and thats clubs of our size. Wigan for example were only getting gates of 7,000 in the prem so made less than £3m a season???

 

Im not convinced all players have those clauses, maybe they do Doc. Why do clubs continue to struggle financially that have been recently PL. Wigan, Blackburn, Fulham, Bolton. Brighton and us doing fine without the PL prop. Maybe it makes clubs run a tighter ship. Personally, I like the loan with option to buy system we operate. OK, its forced on us because we dont have loads of cash to speculate but maybe its a good thing. If it was around in Risdales day, we wouldnt have been lumbered with the likes of Fowler and Johnson. BTW Doc, i too despise the parachute payment thing

 

Just goes to show that splashing the cash unnecessarily upsets the applecart. Soon as we signed those two it all went downhill and the annoying thing is we didn't need them (plus the fact it was borrowed money we were splashing)

There's an example of the benefit of having not much money, makes you concentrate on the youth and makes you live within your means. Buying the likes of Viduka and Bridges was affordable for us but then it all went a bit mental, players coming in on higher wages etc, and all because of Ridsdale's ego trip

 

you lying bollox

 

Brighton got new owners and new ground not long ago and invested heavily on promotion, Fulham still on parachute money, QPR still on parachute money too. Norwich were a well run club and when they were with us their MD siad he was going to gamble and invest in the squad, they got promotion and we started going backwards ever since. They have been in the prem twice since then and will probably be in the play offs again this season. So good management, good financial principles does guarantee promotion and then just bounce up and down for a few seasons and get established like Stoke and WBA now. both those clubs never had multi millions to spend but improved squad yearly and managed by Pullis helps too. Swansea, Norwich, Southampton were with us not long ago and now look at them. Using the system works, but not fair

 

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What's this about then...

 

Twitter in full melt down saying take over happening now. Phil Hay getting involved.

 

raddrizani now own 50% so we have cash for window