1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

The Martin Semmens appreciation thread

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by tomw24, Aug 2, 2021.

  1. Saintmagic

    Saintmagic Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2011
    Messages:
    19,183
    Likes Received:
    13,854
    What has he done that is so impressive this window?

    Got rid of Hoedt and Lemina (who Ralph allegedly wanted to keep) for not much money as they were in the last years of their deal

    Sold Ings for a big fee, but too early to say if good or bad until we see the replacements

    Signed 2 players from Chelsea, one who seems very promising but nobody really has a clue about how close to being PL ready he is

    Signed a full back from abroad who again nobody really knows anything about

    I’m all for giving him credit when it’s due but does seem very early to be singing his praises about this window.
     
    #21
  2. tomw24

    tomw24 Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    62,669
    Likes Received:
    31,265
    Have we signed "a donkey" in the Ralph/Semmens era? Danso was probably the worst but it was only a loan so no damage done.
     
    #22
  3. Saintmagic

    Saintmagic Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2011
    Messages:
    19,183
    Likes Received:
    13,854
    Walcott
     
    #23
  4. Gregm1988

    Gregm1988 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2019
    Messages:
    5,851
    Likes Received:
    3,552
    Yes the earlier comment seemed to curiously limited to this summer. When Semmens has been around for longer than that
     
    #24
  5. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    37,384
    Likes Received:
    35,306
    I’ll post whatever I like thank you.
     
    #25
  6. st_brendy

    st_brendy Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2011
    Messages:
    21,210
    Likes Received:
    10,077
    There's also the point that no of us know how much Semmens, or anyone at Saints, had to do with the fee. For all we know, there was no negotiation and Villa just came straight in with the fee. After all, it's not like the media got any sniff of anything.
     
    #26
    manxsaint and Libby like this.
  7. Libby

    Libby 9-0

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2011
    Messages:
    76,560
    Likes Received:
    77,349
    Oooh errr touchy <laugh>
     
    #27
  8. Libby

    Libby 9-0

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2011
    Messages:
    76,560
    Likes Received:
    77,349
    No recruitment is ever 100% though. You're always bound to get a dud or two.
     
    #28
  9. Schad

    Schad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2011
    Messages:
    17,724
    Likes Received:
    13,007
    It's more that they have the correct focus back, IMO.

    When we first reached the PL, we had success signing young players who were ready to make the step up from being very good with smaller clubs, but weren't yet ready to slot into the lineup of a big club.

    For a while, we deviated and started signing players who had been okay for storied clubs. One or two worked out, but it also left us with Carrillo, Lemina, and Hoedt.

    Now, we're back to signing young players who are ready to make the step up. We're in for a very difficult season this year, but management hasn't panicked and gone for "solid vets", they've stuck with the game plan. Tough needle to thread, because you have to wait on those players to mature, but it's the only way forward.
     
    #29
    lewebster and StJabbo1 like this.
  10. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    37,384
    Likes Received:
    35,306
    Not at all, as I said I think selling Ings for that fee was excellent business. I’d prefer to wait and see who replaces him before assuming it will be a donkey.
     
    #30

  11. Libby

    Libby 9-0

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2011
    Messages:
    76,560
    Likes Received:
    77,349
    I didn't assume they would be a donkey. Just pointed out that if it were to be then I wouldn't consider it remarkable business.
     
    #31
    Osvaldorama likes this.
  12. Libby

    Libby 9-0

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2011
    Messages:
    76,560
    Likes Received:
    77,349
    It's a vast improvement on what we had though which understandably makes people more positive about it.
     
    #32
  13. tomw24

    tomw24 Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    62,669
    Likes Received:
    31,265
    True but from who Semmens and Ralph have brought in so far (Salisu, Che, KWP) I trust them to get it right.
     
    #33
  14. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    37,384
    Likes Received:
    35,306
    No, as I said, it’s 2 separate transactions, one of which hasn’t happened yet.
     
    #34
  15. - Doing The Lambert Walk

    - Doing The Lambert Walk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2011
    Messages:
    38,325
    Likes Received:
    20,136
    The Ings sale will still be good business, it’ll just mean we followed it up with bad business. <laugh>
     
    #35
  16. Libby

    Libby 9-0

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2011
    Messages:
    76,560
    Likes Received:
    77,349
    Which would make selling our top scorer without an adequate replacement bad business too :biggrin:

    We'll find out soon enough I guess. I'm expecting us to sign a striker within a week now.
     
    #36
    Osvaldorama likes this.
  17. Libby

    Libby 9-0

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2011
    Messages:
    76,560
    Likes Received:
    77,349
    Absolutely. This is one signing we absolutely have to get right though as the potential consequences could be huge.

    I actually think we should sign two strikers tbh.
     
    #37
    Osvaldorama and tomw24 like this.
  18. thereisonlyoneno7

    thereisonlyoneno7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2011
    Messages:
    18,431
    Likes Received:
    27,344
    We can sign 7.5 Charlie Austins though

    EDIT: 7 exactly if we take out the sell on fee ;)
     
    #38
    Schrodinger's Cat and Saints14 like this.
  19. tomw24

    tomw24 Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    62,669
    Likes Received:
    31,265
    I agree we need 2 strikers.
     
    #39
    Saints14 likes this.
  20. Gregm1988

    Gregm1988 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2019
    Messages:
    5,851
    Likes Received:
    3,552
    I wonder to what extent the rumoured 12m + Obafemi for Armstrong was in the budget even before the Ings sale. As the word from the club suggested that we didn’t expect a suitable offer to come in

    And whether the intention was to sign him regardless of the Ings situation. Difficult to know

    In which case you definitely would expect 2 attackers to come in. I hope so at least .
     
    #40

Share This Page