Off Topic The Politics Thread

In the US it varies state to state. Texas has a "stand your ground" defence which I think it the most protective of houseowners.

 

The big difference in all this is she was part of an armed mob (terrorist group) who also had explosives on them going into a Government building, if they had no intention of violence why were they armed and carrying explosive devices? Considering the consequences of other terrorist attacks the big questions should be why were the security so ill prepared considering this was being planned back in December, why did some appear to allow them into the building and why they weren't dispersed with much greater force. This isn't out on the street, this isn't someone robbing this is an armed breach of a government building, there is no way of knowing the intentions of all of them and the consequences of just one persons actions had the potential of being catastrophic

 

I hadn't realised that is what happened.
Totally unnecessary and over the top. He shot her in the chest. It would have been easier to push her back.

 

I disagree.
She was attempting to get further into the capitol building wearing a backpack, whilst the secret service were pointing guns at her.
What resulted was inevitable and she was stupid in the extreme to try to get through.
The secret service were doing their job.

It's a waste of a life undoubtedly, but it's hers and Trump's fault, no one else imo.

 

That's not what he's trained to do.
She could have been posing a real threat to life.
He did his job.
Blame Trump, not the highly trained security officer.

 

Think in that situation I’d rather shoot them and ask questions later. If it was a Muslim kid running around with a backpack on he’d have lasted about half a second.

 

mmm we will have to differ here as that was just typical gun crazy OTT America. As Goldie says there were armed response police behind her.

 

So when a cop in the US shoots a suspect who is known for carrying firearms and has a record as long as anything faces trial for defending himself. Is it okay for him to shoot first and ask questions later?
Besides they knew they were Trump supporters and not some muslim kid running around with a backpack.
Sorry that was OTT

 

Oh yeah forgot they were Trump supporters so couldn’t have possibly had bad intentions while breaking into the ****ing Capitol en masse. Hardly comparable to a normal arrest.

 

Oh can someone explain why one of the blokes inside had big cable ties? The clear assumption on that is the plan was to take and restrain hostages.

So we have a large group, **** load of guns, some with body armour, explosive devices, backpacks with unknown content but unlikely to be a picnic,cable ties, etc..... breaching a government building.

With the size of this group you have no way of knowing each individuals intentions and what they have on them, all it takes is one total nutter and the whole building with those inside could have been gone.

 

When you shoot someone you have to have good cause. That was a woman trying to get through a window blocked by chairs. It was just as easy for him to shoot lower and stop the CPD. that was OTT.

 

She was certainly naive and stupid. But there were armed cops positioned all the way down the stairs behind her. A number of the flag waving, Trump supporters had backpacks on. The likelihood that any were suicide bombers was incredibly small.

For me, common sense and discretion was missing from the security officer's action. If it had been in the UK, and an unarmed woman was trying to get into Parliament amongst a group of union jack flag wavers, I don't think she would have been shot with a firearm. The US is simply a lot more extreme in these cases, and I fear there are crazy, heavily armed "patriots" in the US that may want to exact revenge

 

Someone with a backpack breaking in as part of an angry mob is a pretty solid cause.

 

Why didn't they shoot the bloke next to her as well as he had a backpack? As for cable ties? You will need to show me what part of the video shows them?

 

She was stupid but that was OTT.

 

seems shooting one of them did the trick. They backed off after that (from that door anyway).

In any case, i believe it was because she was the one that was about to break through

 

Doesn’t scream peaceful protester.

 

That's not from the video. Why are you showing me a different picture?
The bloke could be using them to tie a flag or lock a door... I don't know or care Will. I am discussing the shooting of that woman in the video.

 

It’s absolutely ****ing mental you’re making excuses for these ****s by the way.