Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Willhoops

    Willhoops Well-Known Member

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    That’s been done I’ve admitted my error you however just continue to dodge my point about you and impartiality. It’s clear for everyone on here to see.

    impartial = someone who is that passionate about politics and who identifies that strongly with a party not only does he join the party he runs for them.

    deflection incoming
     
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  2. Staines R's

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    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/op...ocialists-support-neoliberal-undemocratic-eu/

    That’s the article I was talking about Wills, and he puts the case far more eloquently than I ever could. Of course we are 4 years down the line since it was written and things might of changed with the EU outlook (I personally would say not), however I feel his arguments are still strong.
    He also touches on your argument of ‘better to be an influence of change from the inside’.

    I agree that our government are not to be trusted and are self serving, and some might say ‘corrupt’....however I can’t see how that would mean it’s a good idea to stay in another organisation that are quite honestly, just as bad.
     
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  4. Willhoops

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    I appreciate the fair challenge I guess I view the EU differently and whilst I can see faults I see the advantages too, I just feel that the impact of leaving is going to hit hard and is unnecessary. There’s already rumbles of workers rights being eroded which I thought would happen, however we will wait and see, although worth keeping an eye on as I expect if it happens it’ll be one small part at a time.
     
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  5. Willhoops

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    deflection predicted

    Still doesn’t back up your comment this has anything to do with any group of whose agenda or what they want... well we don’t know
     
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    They are saying 2/3 of services will be sorted in a deal by March so there are no barriers (like before). Hopefully common sense will prevail.
     
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  7. Staines R's

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    I get your point but I would counter with this......Not all our hard earned workers rights began and ended with the EU. We had a strong trade union movement who for years fought for the rights we have as workers.....and now that we’ve left the EU it’s up to us, as workers, to engage again with the trade union movement and to unite against the Tories.
    Now is where the real fight can begin.....Labour need to win back the working class, ditch identity politics and go back to its roots.

    Hopefully it will happen sooner rather than later.
     
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    Agree I am doing a Watford and going off topic here... I can remember my point being that you shot him down and accused him of something and my argument was that he was a fair journo and has had to put up with a lot of abuse which he mentioned on one of his shows. I believe he also mentions something of it in his book. I don't know how we came from Farage and a knighthood to abuse of Ian Dale but whatever.
     
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    impartial? No chance
     
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    Incorrect, yes.
     
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    yes you are incorrect Dale is not impartial
     
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    Sorry, I was referring to you being incorrect with your term of 'Convicted'.
     
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    Havent you learned the game with Ellers yet Wills? It's like debating with a Lego brick wall
     
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    I've always thought that the left-wing case for Brexit is logically cohesive, and might well be persuasive to me if I were left of centre. It's probably the only coherent case for Brexit I've heard.

    That to one side, and much more importantly, how are you Staines? Hope you're keeping well and things aren't too mad on the front line.
     
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    Totally agree mate.....I might be looking at the whole thing very simplistically but it makes complete sense to me, from a left wing point of view and bizarre that anyone on the Left (as supposedly many Remainers are) can honestly say that the EU is a good thing.....

    Thanks for asking, I’m fine....3 more days of being shut in the bedroom, having meals bought to my bed and having disinfectant sprayed on every surface I touch (I’m not kidding). It’s not been that bad, felt rough for a few days and still do when I wake up....HR still low but hoping that will come back to normal after I get out running again next week...slowly at first.
    On the work front the good news is our REAP level has gone down, therefore showing the calls have gone down to a more manageable level. Many of us, in my station at least, have now had the first dose of vaccine so hopefully sickness will improve, and we are still getting assistance from colleagues in the MetPol/LFB to make up numbers. Hopefully this will continue to improve and we’re reaching normality once again......weird how you long to go to a ‘normal’ job like chest pain or an assault, rather than the continuous DIB/COVID cases that we’ve been getting.
     
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    Im surprised anyone still bothers Bob.
     
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    Wasted finger movement on the keyboard
     
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    Sounds full on but I'm glad you're past the worst of the illness and the calls are going down. Hope you've been well enough to enjoy s good book or a few TV series in your isolation!! Be kind to yourself when it comes to getting back to running.
     
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    Just on the final season of Breaking Bad (why did I wait so long) then gonna read my new book by Paul Embery- “Despised, Why the modern Left loathes the working class”

    It’s all fun in my household.
     
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    Old news<badger>
     
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