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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. West WindsR

    West WindsR Well-Known Member

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    How expensive is coke nowadays?



     
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    Tory donors now coming forward saying they’ve been asked to pay for a nanny and personal trainer for the Johnson’s
     
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  3. West WindsR

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    Don’t you dare suggest he might not act in the best interests of people on the breadline you sneering metropolitan elite liberal you.
     
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    The vultures are circling, no doubt led by that so ever trustworthy, loyal bloke Gove.
     
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    It's been surprising to see how many of these stories have been led by the Mail.

    Wait a minute, doesn't Gove's wife write for the Mail?
     
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    He never does land a punch does he?
     
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    I wouldn't have any problem at all if Boris were forced out of office.
    I've never been a fan (brexit aside).
    The problem for me is that there is no viable opposition at the moment, which explains why Boris just gets away with everything.
    I'm not convinced another Tory from this current bunch would be much better, but an upgrade wouldn't be that hard.
    Another problem is that if he's forced out and gets replaced by someone who doesn't get the same support from the public, we could end up with a hung parliament at the next election.
    I'm not a fan of those.
     
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    Google "Shadow Cabinet" and one of your first hits will be to the Labour Party where you can see mug shots and cast list. It was fascinating to see. I hardly recognised more than 1/3 of them or recognised the names of half of them.
     
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    I was never a Boris fan either because of his broad brush approach to things and occasional idleness to master the detail. The faux pas relating to Zagary Radcliffe was a classic.

    But I'll give him credit for three things - delivery Brexit after the embarrassment of the last Parliament, delivering the Covid vaccine to the NHS and putting us on the cusp of what most economists believe will be one of the most successful economic recoveries in the Western World.

    He is charismatic, and I don't want to see him go, but I do want him to have an overseer for his own good and the good of the country. The Tories have to fix that. And it has to be independent of a Boris veto.
     
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  10. bobmid

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    Here's hoping those economists are correct. I have a vague memory of people taking them with a pinch of salt not so long ago.
     
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    I'm also not a Boris Johnson fan. I try to raise my son with values, morals, honesty, integrity and to treat people as you would like to be treated yourself. None of the above apply to the leader of our country.
     
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    That's because over Brexit, the economists were telling us they could project 30 or 40 years ahead which was a nonsense. The current economic predictions are over the course of this year
     
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    Agree its completely different to the project fear ones. We are heading for a massive boost. This data is correct as we can tell due to orders and bookings.
    I like Boris and he is very popular throughout the country. Labour supporters must be cringing with Captain Hindsight at the helm. He is a dud and will lose them votes.
    I made a mistake yesterday... the tories actually have a 11 point lead not 10. At Christmas Labour were 4 points in front. This is not just down to how well Boris is doing but how crap Labour is?
     
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    Labour have a massive problem. Just seeing the Tories beating them in Scotland is amazing. Their best hope is if the Tories mess up. That's why the Tory grandees need more checks and balances on Boris, because as much as he is a huge asset to them, he could also shoot them all in the feet.

    Starmer's problem is apart from him being a dull, uninspiring lawyer-type that makes John Major look interesting, he's a Remainer, he would almost certainly have joined the EU's vaccine programme and there's a big Rejoin faction in Labour.
     
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    Field Work Pollster / Client Sample Size CON LAB LD GRN Lead

    30 Apr 2021 Focaldata / The Times 1,555 40 39 6 3 1

    29 Apr 2021 Survation / Daily Mail 1,077 39 38 9 6 1
     
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    You never know the next election could be a hung parliament? :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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    And he keeps chopping and changing like the weather. I actually believe Jezza would stand a better chance. :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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    :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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    That's where you and myself differ massively. I couldn't bring myself to like anyone who lies regularly with little moral values. Each to their own though.
     
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    Just out of interest regarding chopping and changing. How many u-turns has Johnson made during his reign as PM.?
     
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