We appear to have been able to discuss very different views on society calmly and with nothing but respect. I wonder if starting afresh there is any chance with the most toxic of subjects. I am going to give it a try but suspect it is 90% likely to fail. My position is well known. I am a remainer - always have been and always will be. I consider the damage to our country by brexit so significant that I would overturn the Referendum in a heartbeat if I could. I do not consider that it was a valid democratic act. I believe our democratically elected parliament has a higher duty - to do what is right for Britain - and for me that would mean revoking brexit. BUT That is not going to happen. I believe we have to accept brexit because Labour have no wish to campaign with the SNP and LibDems to undo it. So what should the UK be doing? Here I am as confused as can be. The options appear to be to try to strike a deal that gives us as much of the EU as we can get; mostly free trade with the single market and customs union (even if not being in THE customs union). I am not sure anyone does not want that. It is the price that seems to divide people. Is it possible to have those without giving up the ability to strike trade deals with other countries? Would we have to pay so much that we end up worse of than we were? Would we be tied into deals on migration or ECJ? The other option seems to be to recognise that for the UK to be truly independent we cannot strike a tariff free deal or be part of the customs union. Instead we regard ourselves as just another independent country. We then strike trade deals exactly as we wish - including with the EU but on equal terms. I am genuinely unsure what is better. If we had never joined the EU: a) I am sure we would not consider the second option undesirable. We would simply be a country like any other but not part of a politico-financial block. Is that so bad? As it is I am aware that we HAVE been in the EU and undoing that relationship is tricky (not least the Irish border question). However I have confidence that as a large country we have the ability to look after ourselves. b) Would we consider now doing a deal with the EU whereby we gave up the right to form unrestricted trade deals with anyone else? How much would we agree to pay to have access to the single market /customs union? Would we accept rules on migration made by a "block" rather than choose our own policy? Would we submit to the ECJ on anything other than normal trade jurisdiction processes? I throw these questions out as I know most posters here are, like me, Remainers. So come on - persuade me that having chucked the dolly out of the pram it is beneficial to accept a broken dolly rather than to go and get a new one. I would ask - like on "Society" that we use our own thoughts and ideas (however and wherever they were derived) and not use articles composed by others. If we are free thinking people we should be able to discuss this by argument alone.