Off Topic UK politics and brexit ramblings

IMF: No deal Brexit 'biggest risk to Britain's economy'

A spokesman for the International Monetary Fund - the organisation made up of 189 countries and which strives for global financial stability - has said Brexit without a deal is the "most significant near-term risk to the UK economy".

According to Reuters, spokesman Gerry Rice said all Brexit outcomes will entail costs.

 

Hard or No Deal Brexit = massive damage to our economy.

Softer Brexit and all various similar options = less damage to economy but significantly tied to EU so that it could be considered Brexit in name only.

So,

Why are we having a Brexit????

 

Racist gonna racist

 

What's the point of Corbyn going into a meeting where May has already said she won't budge on the terms of her deal? So she can say "it's my deal or no deal" then come out and blame Corbyn for it being "his choice" to have no deal?

Everyone can see May's game.

 

I think you’re right about her intentions but he’s played this badly imo. He should have said he’d talk to the PM willingly but that he can say openly now, that taking no deal off the table would be his prime point.

 

That’s the salient point, right there.

The promises of deals as good as, or better than, what we have now, and the sunlit uplands of tomorrow if we vote to leave, are long gone. We’ve now got a Parliament trying to find the least damaging exit, having produced figures that show clearly that all of them involve us being worse off, as a Nation, at a time when Tory austerity has already crippled a segment of our society.

Sorry, but what’s their prime responsibility again? Is it to do what’s best for the country on behalf of the electorate?

This is all based on some lie and dodgy money driven public vote 2 1/2 years ago, that the polls show wouldn’t be repeated if it was run again now. The ‘will of the people’ soundbite is hollow, it’s the will of some people years ago, and not the current consensus now there’s far more actual information on the table and errrmm fact, as opposed to emotion inducing soundbites and meaningless rhetoric.

A second vote is the only way out of this nonsense, as the Govt of the day haven’t got the bollocks to tell the brutal and honest truth.

 

The point is rise above.

Corbyn has played into Tories hand by creating terms which they immediately made look stupid, he voted for aryicle 50 legislation and it has default of no deal exit if there is no deal.... as in come what nay,.. 29th march it's no deal Brexit.

So guess what Jeremy.... you voted it. You want to prevent it you have already rejected one deal.... you'd better start talking.

 

It's not Corbyn, or anyone else's job, to jump in at the last moment after a Conservative government deliberately made zero plans during the referendum because it might look bad, held an election they had promised not to, wasted time in court making sure none of the other parties had access to key #brexit information, and waited until 22 of the 24 months were up before pretending to consider other people's opinions.

To blame Corbyn for not "rising above" all this and swooping in to fix the problem and/or take the blame is insanity.

 

The reality is all the rag and the daily fail need do is publish black banner headlines saying that the grest unwadhed are being brow beaten into reversing their will.

A second referendum should be seen as true democracy not insulting with will of anyone. Just double check given all the findings of 2 year's that this deal is where we are at do you want it as leave or stay....

There are so many so called view that imo the parliament should be locked in there and put each option to vote until they get a short list of options that will have house support and then see realistically if any would wash.

For example

A) exit with no deal = assumption that house would reject.
B) Norway plus or minus or what the ****... presume Hogg would explode.
C) Canada .... whatever... the Johnson Brainerd.
D) full on customs union. Brexiteers nightmare.
E) does the house rested the back stop yes or no.

Etc etc

Once then you compare to mays deal which clearly outlines where eu wanted to be and if there's no options that resolve the backstop etc they yer ****ed and start again

 

Sorry but nobody is rescuing anyone. This is about the country's future. Being up on a high horse wasting time now is the issue.

Step out of the electioneering for just 10 seconds and realise there's a very very serious crisis here.

There's nothing in anything you've said about that has any relevancy to now and from now to March 29. Not one thing can be changed about it.

A) corbyn was very happy sit back and marshall his troops to vote down mays deal.
B) he was crowing for 4 weeks about his no confidence deal which is fine for show but they knew it was never happening.

So..... now's the time.. can you actually be a leader and form some solution to this.

Reality is there's no election coming for a Labour landslide, there no referendum, there's nothing but this house of loons and a very real legal deadline of 29th march.

Solve it or for all the bluster it will be no deal.

 

If it's such a crisis and Corbyn should stop electioneering why is May still refusing to negotiate her red lines? Wouldn't go down well with their base?

 

WHO CARES

a majority of the house must be found on some new approach urgently.

may is may.

but if corbyn locks his door and pulls his duvet over his head he is as bad or worse.

there's no time for this. he is giving may excuse to run down the clock and bring back same deal just before the disaster befalls us all.

ring her up and lecture her for 5 hours. I don't care. but get on with it

 

The hardline Brexiteers like the arrogant blonde journalist on Question Time Oakshott still compare the Brexit negotiations like going into a car dealership and buying a car. Walking out if we don’t get the right price and on we go. Lovely with nothing to lose and let’s buy another. Clearly trying to fool and mislead the slower people amongst us.

Huge applause when she said May should go for the no deal Brexit. But her analogy was never correct and one of our politicians main failings was to not explain fully the implications and costs of a no deal. The negotiations were never like buying a car or a house. It was more like a divorce and negotiating whether we had access to the children or if we can’t the children could go into care. With basically every one suffering but is this a chance we want to take?

 

There's no point worrying about how the level of applause is.. thats all bluster

you are right though. the messy divorce is a far better analogy.

 

So:

to be clear if I was advising Corbyn i would:

a) Act like i am in charge.
b) Invite ALL party leaders (including may) to an all party crisis meeting (be the one hosting it)
c) whoever turns up discuss and align a common consensus. SNP labour, greens should be easy. DUP should be sidelined after this. If no tory will come and align then at least get consensus on first path forward for the rest.
d) bring update to house of exactly the progress of this "brexit crisis committee"

that would make it very clear that if may is the one sat on the sidelines not engaging then the rest are working then the fault is clear.

right now... may is in "control" she invited them to one on one negotiations to discuss.

My view is the lot of them should be locked into a room together this weekend and by Monday morning they should come up with plan b.

The failing on plan b is clear but the fact is we the people should hold ALL to account for leaving the country in crisis when theres no plan b cos they sat back and let may waste more time.

 

The buying a car analogy has always been utter nonsense.

As if you go to buy a car, and can’t agree a price, you leave with your old one and go to another garage!

We’ve already agreed to buy car, we’ve signed the initial order (the backstop) in Dec ‘17, and May completed the purchase 3 months ago in Brussels. We’ve now gone home shown the family the pics and they’ve decided they don’t like it. So we’ve gone back to the garage and said we need to change a few things....what things they ask? Not sort of sure....but it might be the engine, the wheels, the colour and the number of doors.

All of this comes from the fact, that STILL the spivs, charlatans and liars are peddling the notion that the EU will somehow completely change its stance, on key issues that it’s been completely firm on since before the vote. The 4 pillars are indivisible and won’t be moved for a member let alone one that’s leaving. Mays red lines clash with the 4 pillars and automatically remove numerous options from the table. We were always going to end up,here the minute she made the Lancaster House speech.

Davis and Johnson were amongst those who signed the backstop ffs, now they’re saying it’s unacceptable, whilst STILL maintaining that the Irish border issue can be solved easily with technology ffs, the hypocrisy of their positions is mind blowing, as all they need to do is to prove that assertion and the backstop never occurs anyway ffs.

As for that hideous slime ball Oakshott being cheered to the rafters for saying no deal is the way to go, that’s nothing more than idiots who patently do not understand the implications of no deal shouting RA, RA, WE’RE BRITISH GOD DAMNIT, SHOVE IT TO THE HUN.

Rather fittingly, tomorrow is the day when the annual death toll sees the Brexit majority overturned without a single person changing their mind. So from tomorrow onwards, Brexit is officially the ‘will of the dead’.

 

Why are you even talking about Corbyn? It’s a dead cat scenario, and it’s succeeded.

 

Johnson to make major speech, in what will be seen as act of disloyalty .
Boris Johnson claims now is the time to "use Brexit to unite the country", in a major speech which will be seen as the latest move in his Tory leadership campaign.

In a "wide-ranging speech", a label widely seen by MPs as code for a leadership bid, Mr Johnson will urge the government to focus on the "issues that drove Brexit".

Coming only days after Theresa May suffered a humiliating Commons defeat by a record 230 votes on her Brexit deal, the speech will be seen as a further act of disloyalty.

News, analysis and expert opinion as the UK gets closer to leaving the European Union

The venue, the headquarters of the JCB empire headed by billionaire Tory peer and Leave backer Anthony Bamford, will also be seen as an attempt by Mr Johnson to look prime ministerial.

The JCB excavator plant, at Rocester in Staffordshire, was also the venue for a major speech by David Cameron on Europe and immigration policy in 2014 when he was prime minister.

 

I completely agree

 

For once he’s not wrong, they should indeed to focussing on the ‘issues that drove Brexit’

1. The dark money that funded the campaigns notably Leave.eu, which is the subject of a National Crime Agency investigation.

2. The offshore billionaires like the Barclay brothers who have the benefit of their own newspaper title, and have driven Brexit (along with others) in order to try and avoid the EU offshore tax haven legislation that comes into effect this very year.....

3. The systematic demonisation of immigration, that has been knowingly used to apportion blame for the effects of unnecessary Tory austerity.

Can’t get a job? Blame the immigrants
No social housing in your area? Blame the immigrants
NHS crumbling? It’s all those immigrants
Pot holes in your road? Yeah that’s defo down to the immigrants
Skint due to low wages, poor employment protections, zero hours contracts and the gig economy? Yeah defo the immigrants that one, and it’s definitely nothing to do with the rich having become massively wealthier since the recovery from the Worldwide crash as they exploit people under the guise of necessity.
Oh and don’t forget the Polish shops, we know you don’t like them do you? They’re defo due to immigrants.