Off Topic UK politics and brexit ramblings

temporary backstop is a contradiction in terms.
May rejects hard border in fact the only people who want a "hard" border are the "New IRA" as it will give them easy targets.

Despite what everyone says there will need to be some sort of controls post Brexit .

 

The "new IRA" thing is a red herring, just watching BBC "politics live" programme, the female Tory MP on the panel is(not surprisingly)slating Corbyn, and part of her rant was that Corbyn met the IRA, terrorism in all its forms by all organisations that carry it out and organisations that befriend terrorists is an abomination.
What she fails to peddle is that the DUP is steeped in loyalist terrorism and has decades old links to the UVF.
On the point of a "hard border" giving a dissident republican organisation easy targets, the Irish border is hundreds of miles long and a hard border would be the main crossings between the north and south but the crossings through farmland and country lanes wouldn't be manner 24/7 and easy to cross, but the fact remains that the peace process still exists and the vast majority on both sides don't want a return of violence and are more interested in making sure their families futures are taken care of.

The DUP are a bigger threat to peace in the north because they're never satisfied, they have the biggest voice in the 6 counties and the Conservative Party are their biggest friends and allies in parliament.

 

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"The Right Honourable Gentleman has been willing to sit down with Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA without preconditions, yet he won't meet me to talk about Brexit," she told MPs.

 

Are there signs of movement from the EU?
Not on the Irish backstop - chief negotiator Michel Barnier has said the EU would not be willing to put a time limit on it.
But he said the backstop was not the "central issue" and the debate was now about the future shape of the UK's relationship with the EU, after it leaves with a deal.
"We're cooperating with the British government. Things could start moving rapidly," Mr Barnier told The Luxembourg Times.
"We are ready to be more ambitious if the British decide to shift their red lines, for example by remaining in a customs union, or participating in the single market.
"I believe there is a readiness in London for that."

 

of course the border will be porous i mean it still was with hundreds of Army towers sensors helicoptors etc but the head of the PSNI warned ages ago that in his opinion any customs buildings etc would be a target for dissident republicans.
The DUP even by the standards of much of NI politics are particularly obnoxious agreed.
All sides inc Govt of the UK have talked to Terrorists after all if they hadn't there would be no GFA & i have no problem with Corbyn "links" though some of his pronouncements on the subject were definitely inflammatory but it was an own goal refusing to meet May even if beforehand he pointed out he didn't (correctly as it turned out) think she was being genuine.

 

So the two so called leaders of the parliament in london are squabbling over who stood who up on thier blind date......

 

zzzzzzz even her attacks are unchanged since before she was massively defeated

 

that because if we're in the customs union no need for backstop.
Best of luck Teresa getting a withdrawal agreement with that future political statement attached thru HoC without tearing Tory party apart

 

Theresa May is acting like the leader of the opposition rather than the PM then.

 

if you like yeah.

Certinly not Pm.

My way or no way in a minority situation

Corybrn then is acting more like a leader of ukip... I'm not talking to you attitude.

 

Its pure fishing from him. He knows full well none of that is acceptable to tories. Its just pure...... well.... whats he supposed to do. he's an apporved deal on his end that his lot likes just to get rid of the UK. Anyhting he gives makes them less happy.

 

think you will find the "fishing" comes from our end rather than EU as they are just waiting on us therefore the obvious conclusion is someone has been sounding the EU out on beefing up the political statement ,re the future relationship which is attached to withdrawal agreement , to see if that can be used make the backstop very unlikely or go away all together.
She could possibly get such a deal thru but probably with the majority of her own MPs voting against it

 

Yeah, plenty of British governments /MP's and officials have met/had contact with "terrorists" from NI and across the globe, but, Corbyn gets beaten with a big stick by the Tories that he met with republicans to discuss peace and a united Ireland years ago yet the current Tory government rely on an NI political party with established links to the UVF/UDA loyalist terrorist organisations to keep them in power, in fact they paid a blackmail ransom to secure their support estimated to be close to a billion quid.
This money given to a false state within a state on the island of Ireland that has an empty assembly building and no MLA's to govern the province due to a dispute that began with the DUP refusing to agree to street and road signs being jointly English/Gaelic as they are in Scotland and Wales without problem, the DUP see it as a threat to their "British identity"

They've cost the UK/British government millions during times of austerity because of that pathetic argument (amongst other things), yet they've got so much say in this country's current politics it's unbelievable considering they've only got 11 seats in parliament.

 

still think the obvious solution is for May to ring the Taoiseach & say
"Leo i've got the solution to the border problem"
Leo " Brill what is it"
May " Tag your it"
slams phone down and buggers off to upper Volta for a long holiday

 

Why is 29th of March fixed in stone? Isn't something that MPs chose and would the UK be seriously penalised/disadvantaged/ suffer if that specific date was changed? Some MPs talk of that date as if it was Christmas or New Years Day that people wanted to change

 

it's in withdrawal act voted on by parliament.

it's supposed to be 2 years after triggering a50 in the Lisbon treaty or nice or whichever.

the 2 years is an eu deadline not a UK "peoples" deadline

the we can't change it is coming purely from Tories who either want no deal or mays few final "her deal or no deal" shower.

 

not strictly true as "we" cannot change it but it can be extended if the we & EU agree .

 

You are right.

I am saying those who say we cannot are:

a) may and her desire to cliff edge to force her deal through
b) Hard line brexiteers who are really worried any delay could lead to new referendum

You are dead right that as we triggered article 50 there is a clear process defined by treaty which supersedes British parliament that would require both parties to agree to extension.

EU have offered this a year ago.

 

only if it is required but since we have no real plan B i see little prospect of themagreeing one as at the end of it what will have changed except our "divorce" bill will have grown.